Police to get tough on internet trolls.

[Jaymoss]

It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual

I don’t think it’s even that.

I say it’s a case of too many people thinking that just because they have an opinion about something they also have the right for it to be heard.

If we could only cure the human race of that fallacy the world would be a better place.

[heero_yuy]

It also has to be remembered that this is a UK law and applies only to UK firms or firms with UK asssets and/or UK based individuals.

Most are not, nor are based in other regions where the UK has any leverage. Such is the nature of the internet.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Russ

I say it’s a case of too many people thinking that just because they have an opinion about something they also have the right for it to be heard.

In one sense I agree Russ, but then again isn't that what 'free speech' encompasses?

Look at all the comments on this forum about Boris for example, just peoples opinion of him, but some of them may (in future) be classed as abusive and illegal . . . and how long before the Telegraph cartoonists get a knock on the door?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Carth

In one sense I agree Russ, but then again isn't that what 'free speech' encompasses?

I don’t believe in “free speech” purely because people WILL try to take advantage. Too many think it’s the right to say what they want without repercussions.

For example, Boris. He’s a known liar. I am free to say that as it’s been proven countless times and has even been sacked for it (hopefully one more time).

If I wanted to I am also free to express that “I want him killed” but that would rightly get me in trouble with the Law.

For the absence of doubt (and worthless busybodies) that was just a hypothetical example and I do NOT want him killed by anyone and I neither do I wish any harm on him.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

I wonder just how they are going to make that work?

Will ISP's have to employ an army of people who's role and responsibility is to do nothing but trawl the internet looking for breaches of the 'new' rules?

It can't be even more algorithms thrown into computer programs that constantly scan web pages, because they just spot words and phrases, not intent or subtle innuendo.

No, it will still be people 'reporting' posts where they believe something now 'illegal' has been written, therefore a 'crime' has been committed hasn't it.

I’m going to assume you actually mean hosting providers rather than ISP’s. I can’t see many T1 providers agreeing to do that. Especially as in many cases it would require SSL decryption.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’m going to assume you actually mean hosting providers rather than ISP’s. I can’t see many T1 providers agreeing to do that. Especially as in many cases it would require SSL decryption.

No idea mate, I just took 'ISP' from the post by Richard.
You probably know more about the difficulties and pitfalls than I do

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

No idea mate, I just took 'ISP' from the post by Richard.
You probably know more about the difficulties and pitfalls than I do

SSL decryption itself is a doddle to implement at a business level mitm certificate on each device. Then something like netskope agent it can be somebody also on Palo Alto Firewalls

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I also don't like the fact that 'free speech' has become the right to say anything offensive to anybody particularly from behind a keyboard.

We can agree on that, to go out and to purposefully offend someone is not very nice.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

In addition, they believe that ISP's should be made more responsible for online harm prevention too.

That's a bit like holding the Post Office accountable for the content of peoples letters.

Originally Posted by Pierre

That's a bit like holding the Post Office accountable for the content of peoples letters.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual

What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It also has to be remembered that this is a UK law and applies only to UK firms or firms with UK asssets and/or UK based individuals.

Most are not, nor are based in other regions where the UK has any leverage. Such is the nature of the internet.

I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

There are carers of those with dementia who may get incredibly frustrated and when they’re not with the person may criticise them. Is that right ? Probably not. Is it understandable ? Absolutely so. Patience is not an infinite resource and at times it will get stretched or torn. We are after all imperfect by nature

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

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I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.

Joe Biden comes to mind.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

---------- Post added at 15:53 ---------- Previous post was at 15:39 ----------



I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.

How many times have you had a go at people who work in overseas call centres? You call them all names under the sun on these forums. The reasons you get called out on for what you post is because of the hypocrisy in your posts.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mythica

How many times have you had a go at people who work in overseas call centres? You call them all names under the sun on these forums. The reasons you get called out on for what you post is because of the hypocrisy in your posts.