Britain outside the EU

For all the talk and bluster on this I still don't understand why the answer isn't one of:

• Customs border in Ireland
• Customs border in the Irish Sea
• Customs Union

We seem to be asking for a version of the third where we're not in a customs union but we say to the EU that really we haven't got different regulatory standards so what's the problem? If we do that then just opt for the full customs union and sort out the problems in Dover as well.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

For all the talk and bluster on this I still don't understand why the answer isn't one of:

• Customs border in Ireland
• Customs border in the Irish Sea
• Customs Union

We seem to be asking for a version of the third where we're not in a customs union but we say to the EU that really we haven't got different regulatory standards so what's the problem? If we do that then just opt for the full customs union and sort out the problems in Dover as well.

4: No Northern Ireland.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

For all the talk and bluster on this I still don't understand why the answer isn't one of:

• Customs border in Ireland
• Customs border in the Irish Sea
• Customs Union

We seem to be asking for a version of the third where we're not in a customs union but we say to the EU that really we haven't got different regulatory standards so what's the problem? If we do that then just opt for the full customs union and sort out the problems in Dover as well.

I think you're right - it's a Customs Union lite whereby we can set our own standards but in practice, won't upset the apple cart by doing so to any significant extent.

[1andrew1]

The government's National Audit Office delivers its verdict on how the UK regulators are struggling with their increased workloads.

UK regulators face struggle after Brexit as long-term plans may be ‘wasted effort’ watchdog warns

The Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), Health and Safety Executive (HSE) and Food Standards Agency (FSA) say the loss of data access has negatively affected their ability to assess risks and carry out their work.

The FSA lost access to parts of the Rapid Alert System for Food and Feed (RASFF), which it used to exchange information about food-safety risks and responses across the EU.

Despite the fact the government regularly boasts of its ambition for the UK to be “the best regulated economy in the world”, all three regulators have been forced to turn to international systems using publicly available information and case-by-case arrangements to make up the difference.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...e3cc9e5fd72b8a
https://www.nao.org.uk/report/regulating-after-eu-exit/

[nomadking]

The NI protocol specifies that GB and NI are in the same customs union. Under WTO rules that means no tariffs and restrictions.
The revised NI protocol is "better" than the previous one, in that at least NI has a opportunity to vote on ending it. Before the EU had to agree to it.
So much of the detail was to be left to the Joint Committee, which relies on the EU agreeing to things. That is the real problem.
The only reason for any protocol in the first place is because the IRA says so. Would the US be happy with a situation where there were tariffs and restrictions between Hawaii and California, or Texas and New York?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The government's National Audit Office delivers its verdict on how the UK regulators are struggling with their increased workloads.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...e3cc9e5fd72b8a
https://www.nao.org.uk/report/regulating-after-eu-exit/

The more I learn about the hidden dependencies inherent in EU membership the more glad I am we’re out.

There is nothing here that can’t be solved via the development of processes that - astonishingly - work well enough for the other 165 countries of the world. So much of the hand-wringing nonsense we read on here really is afflicted by a weird sort of reverse exceptionalism in which the UK is somehow uniquely incapable of coping with its status as a non-member of the EU, despite this being the normal state of affairs for the vast majority of the planet.

BREAKING: UK to Start Legislating Against Brexit Deal Within Three Weeks

The UK aims to introduce its controversial bill to override parts of the Brexit deal it negotiated with the European Union within the next three weeks, Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis has signaled.

Parliament is not sitting next week and officials in charge of legislation are eyeing the fortnight following June 6. There is then a six-week window for the bill to pass the lower House of Commons before Parliament breaks for its summer vacation, planned for July 20.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uthor_15116245

[jfman]

It’s almost like there’s an uncomfortable story we need to displace from the front page of the Mail and Express tomorrow.

[ianch99]

"Get Inflation Done" A clear & present Brexit bonus:



Core Inflation: definition

[Sephiroth]

What’s your point, Ian? I imagine that you’re indicating that the UK would be “better off” inside the EU.

That conveniently omits the fact that we are no longer under Brussels’ thumb. With a competent government (and Labour would not be that), all the economic stuff can be put right. But will it? Still no reason to be in the EU.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What’s your point, Ian? I imagine that you’re indicating that the UK would be “better off” inside the EU.

That conveniently omits the fact that we are no longer under Brussels’ thumb. With a competent government (and Labour would not be that), all the economic stuff can be put right. But will it? Still no reason to be in the EU.

I think you're in danger of heading into Kim Jong-un reality levels if you think that only one party can form a competent government.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What’s your point, Ian? I imagine that you’re indicating that the UK would be “better off” inside the EU.

That conveniently omits the fact that we are no longer under Brussels’ thumb. With a competent government (and Labour would not be that), all the economic stuff can be put right. But will it? Still no reason to be in the EU.

I am surprised I have to spell it out: we were told over & over again that we would be financially better off out of the EU when all the evidence said otherwise. It is important that the liars are held to account.

It is delusion that "all the economic stuff can be put right", at least in the next decade. Economic gravity + hard Brexit says otherwise. These are the hard facts and always have been. Ideology won over Economics and Ideology won't keep you warm at night or feed your children.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am surprised I have to spell it out: we were told over & over again that we would be financially better off out of the EU when all the evidence said otherwise. It is important that the liars are held to account.

It is delusion that "all the economic stuff can be put right", at least in the next decade. Economic gravity + hard Brexit says otherwise. These are the hard facts and always have been. Ideology won over Economics and Ideology won't keep you warm at night or feed your children.

How are you finding it over there in EU land, do you regret leaving the UK? are you having a better life over there?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you're in danger of heading into Kim Jong-un reality levels if you think that only one party can form a competent government.

Kim Jong-Un is taking it a bit too far, Andrew. I never said that any one party could govern well. But the Conservatives could judging by Thatcher. Just needs the right leader.


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Originally Posted by ianch99

I am surprised I have to spell it out: we were told over & over again that we would be financially better off out of the EU when all the evidence said otherwise. It is important that the liars are held to account.

It is delusion that "all the economic stuff can be put right", at least in the next decade. Economic gravity + hard Brexit says otherwise. These are the hard facts and always have been. Ideology won over Economics and Ideology won't keep you warm at night or feed your children.

Beg to differ, Ian. Btw, in my book sovereignty trumps ideology and in a country like the UK, business will set the economy right. A bungling government, however, fuels your argument.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Kim Jong-Un is taking it a bit too far, Andrew. I never said that any one party could govern well. But the Conservatives could judging by Thatcher. Just needs the right leader.

All three main parties have formed competent governments in the past. No reason why this can't happen in the future.