Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Provided that the Guvmin helps with the investment, making cars in NI gives us double bubble market opportunity.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Provided that the Guvmin helps with the investment, making cars in NI gives us double bubble market opportunity.

The muppet's displayed his ignorance about the UK economy I'm afraid Seph.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity has opened up for British holidaymakers to get acquainted with one another and to develop their fasting skills in the queues into France as Dover declares a "critical incident".

https://news.sky.com/story/port-of-d...elays-12846826

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That’s from existing business. This deal is about opportunity.

"opportunity" that’s between 3000 and 10000 miles away, with countries we mostly had existing trade agreements with…



I see "opportunity" has become the new "sovereignty"…

[denphone]

Its like swapping a mansion for a garden shed.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I see all the Remainers piling in on OB. Not one of them has said that the opportunity raised by every trade deal now lies in the hands of British business.

Badenoch sent me an email which sort of makes my point:

Seph, she may have been economical with the actualité with regards to "car manufacturers in Northern Ireland"...

There appears to be only one (Crossle Car Company) which made Formula Ford and Formula 2 track cars (at it's peak in the 70s, it made 100 that year). I say "appears", as the company was taken over in 2012, and on it's web home page it states

Welcome to the home of The Crosslé Car Company
Established in 1957, Crosslé is the world’s longest-established constructors of racing cars. Uniquely we continue to build cars, and support their ongoing success worldwide, from our original factory in Holywood, Northern Ireland.

From November 2012 this site will be updated to more effectively engage Crosslé customers old and new. Comments and suggestions are welcome, and you can contact us at the factory.

There have been no updates after this post/date, but looking on their Facebook page (there are one or two updates per year), it appears to be mainly focused on maintaining/refurbishing previous track cars they manufactured in the past.

https://www.facebook.com/people/The-...0063552693792/

Other than that, not much car manufacturing happen in Norn Iron...

(and it costs between £2 billion and £10 billion to set up a new (large scale) car manufacturing plant - I can't see HMG funding that...)

[Sephiroth]

Seeding new industry in NI is what the Guvmin must do in order to validate Badenoch's note.

Actually, each time I get one of these (some I publish on this forum), I write to JR asking him to ask his ministerial colleagues to plan their releases on the basis of what the average cynical Tory member would think.

This one was one of the least worst.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Provided that the Guvmin helps with the investment, making cars in NI gives us double bubble market opportunity.

After the fiasco of DeLorean, I can't see the UK government trying to get another car manufacturer to set up in NI. It needs to focus its efforts on retaining its existing car manufacturers and getting battery manufacturers to set up in GB too.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Seph, she may have been economical with the actualité with regards to "car manufacturers in Northern Ireland"...

There appears to be only one (Crossle Car Company) which made Formula Ford and Formula 2 track cars (at it's peak in the 70s, it made 100 that year). I say "appears", as the company was taken over in 2012, and on it's web home page it states



There have been no updates after this post/date, but looking on their Facebook page (there are one or two updates per year), it appears to be mainly focused on maintaining/refurbishing previous track cars they manufactured in the past.

https://www.facebook.com/people/The-...0063552693792/

Other than that, not much car manufacturing happen in Norn Iron...

(and it costs between £2 billion and £10 billion to set up a new (large scale) car manufacturing plant - I can't see HMG funding that...)

I wouldn't be surprised if they started trumpeting the benefits of the deal for the West Yorkshire deep-sea fishing industry next. Just for information for our southern friends - West Yorkshire is landlocked unless they expect coastal erosion to accelerate in the coming years in which case this maybe one of the 30 year benefits OB was talking about.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The muppet's displayed his ignorance about the UK economy I'm afraid Seph.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity has opened up for British holidaymakers to get acquainted with one another and to develop their fasting skills in the queues into France as Dover declares a "critical incident".

https://news.sky.com/story/port-of-d...elays-12846826

[heero_yuy]

Who the hell wants to go to France. It's full of French people FGS.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Who the hell wants to go to France. It's full of French people FGS.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ited-countries

Top 10 Countries Most Popular with Tourists (by number of 2019 visitor arrivals)

France - 90.0 million
Spain - 83.7 million
United States - 79.3 million
China - 65.7 million
Italy - 64.5 million
Turkey - 51.2 million
Mexico - 45.0 million
Thailand - 39.8 million
Germany - 39.6 million
United Kingdom - 39.4 million

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Wow, just think, some people actually vote for this idiot.

Here he is in 2017:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/re...103101038.html

Resurfaced video from 2017 of Brexiteer John Redwood shows him mocking people for predicting Dover queues.

---------- Post added at 10:16 ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 ----------

Here's another gem from the geographically challenged member for Wokingham:

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...04068793409536

If the French want happy UK visitors they should make it easier to get in through their ports.

Loving the first reply

You do know that Dover is in England?

[1andrew1]

Redwood is clearly past his sell-by date. He's like the embarrassing uncle you have to invite for Christmas or he'll be on his own and hope that he doesn't speak!

However, European holidays will likely be getting harder for us this November as this Times article reports.

Port officials fear that queues will get even worse this year when the EU launches the long-delayed Entry/Exit System (EES). It was due to come into force next month but has been delayed until November.

Under the scheme, all arrivals from outside the European Union will have four fingerprints scanned and a photograph taken. The data will be captured on the first entry to the bloc and verified on subsequent visits.

Holidaymakers had been told to expect long delays, especially at British ports — where border controls are juxtaposed with French immigration formalities carried out on UK land — because of the difficulties of capturing passengers’s data from inside their cars. There are also concerns of long queues at the Eurotunnel terminal in Folkestone.

Bannister [Doug Bannister, Dover's chief executive] has warned that it could take up to ten minutes to process a single car when the measures come in.

Currently, post-Brexit checks take about 90 seconds for a car. This is already at least double the amount of time compared with when the UK was in the EU.

It is feared the port could be forced to start capping capacity at peak times, in a similar way to Eurostar. In January Eurostar, which connects London to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam by rail, said it had been forced to leave empty seats on the “vast majority” of services due to post-Brexit border problems.

And for those who may wish to hope the currentl delays are not Brexit-related, please look away now:

Doug Bannister, the port’s chief executive, has previously said it is “absolutely true” queues at the port, first seen last summer, were the result of the UK’s exit from the bloc. Since Brexit every passport must now be scanned and stamped.

“In a post-Brexit environment, the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer,” he said.

A source close to the home secretary later suggested that the issues were the result of how French officials had decided to do post-Brexit checks. However, the checks carried out by French border officers are the same for all arrivals from so-called third countries that are outside the bloc.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...test-l0mtqjfkw

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Just for a bit of balance, a little bit of news you guys would rather not hear.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1071111.html

[EXTRACT]

Rishi Sunak said “fantastic progress” has been made in talks on joining an Indo-Pacific free trade bloc, amid expectations that the UK could be welcomed into the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) imminently.

The Prime Minister said it was “a great benefit of Brexit” for the UK to be able to sign its own trade deals.

Tell that to the egg producing industry who are already on the brink and will now have to face tariff free import competition from Mexican cage producers, so much for holding ourselves to greater standards in animal welfare post brexit and nothing reeks of sovereignty more than relying on other countries for your food

[OLD BOY]

We set the food standards for food imported into the country. It is up to the exporters to meet those standards.