Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The trust in Johnson is eroded and permanently damaged. The partying from No. 10, not just Johnson but his staff and civil servants, means the rules they placed on rest of us, they didn’t believe in.

I too will never forgive what Tories have done to Health care sector. I lived it and continue to do so, it’s bloody horrible and hard work on the front line.

I’m angry but it doesn’t mean, all is forgiven with Labour. I could be politically homeless in the longer term.

Absolutely agree. No 10 have taken us all for fools and lowered the trust between the people and their government.

The only way to do rebuild trust is for Johnson to be replaced.

The way they dumped untested patients on care homes and procured poor quality PPE from their friends were two scandals which endangered the lives of run-down NHS staff.

[papa smurf]

I can't think of a government of any party that i thought i could trust, apart from trust them to make my life worse than it was before they got elected.

We need a Cynics party.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

That is why, in context, partygate is seen by many as an unwanted distraction and completely out of proportion with the scheme of things.

The issue I take here, is that hundreds if not potentially thousands of people obeyed the laws that were in place at time, meaning they couldn't visit loved ones in care homes or hospitals, in some cases they couldn't say goodbye to loved ones who died in care homes or hospitals.

As with most things in life, it's proportion is defined by the perspective it's viewed from.

Consider this, Had, you been unable to visit a loved one that for example suffered from dementia or for example was in palliative care and subsequently lost their life would you view it as something distracting?

I'll admit, i loathe the floppy haired pillock, but, I'll balance this by saying if Starmer is issued with an FPN he should be out on his backside

We seem to be ok with accepting mediocrity from our politicians

[1andrew1]

Compare and contrast:

Boris Johnson urged by two more Tory MPs to step down over Sue Gray's partygate report

The latest announcements, which follow the report detailing drunkenness and partying at Number 10, mean that a total of 18 backbenchers are now calling on the prime minister to quit.

The announcements by John Baron and David Simmonds follow a similar call by their backbench colleague Julian Sturdy on Wednesday.

Mr Baron said the findings by senior civil servant Ms Gray as well as the Met Police investigation into the episode "paint a shameful pattern of misbehaviour during the pandemic as the rest of us kept to the COVID regulations".

Mr Simmonds said it was "clear that while the government and our policies enjoy the confidence of the public the prime minister does not" and that it was time for "new leadership".

Meanwhile, in Norfolk

A Conservative MP has defended Boris Johnson and suggested it was likely NHS staff had also been "letting their hair down" during the Covid pandemic.

Richard Bacon was speaking after Sue Gray's report highlighted the extent of lockdown parties at Downing Street.

Reacting to the report, Mr Bacon said: "The fact that [Mr Johnson] goes round thanking his staff for working very, very hard, 18 hours a day, to try and keep the show on the road when we were in a global pandemic is not, I think, a crime.

"And I don't think it's something he should be condemned for and I certainly don't think it's something he should resign for. I support Boris."

Mr Bacon, who represents South Norfolk, said the prime minister should not be "condemned".

Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting called for Mr Bacon to withdraw the statement and apologise.

In the interview with BBC Look East on Wednesday, he was asked if he was "comfortable" with the revelations around the drinking and partying at Downing Street during lockdown.

He replied: "No, of course I'm not but then I think they were working under huge pressure.

"You haven't gone and investigated it but there are one and a half million people who work in the NHS. I bet if you tried hard enough you could find some people letting their hair down who were working 24/7 in the NHS as well."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-61587994

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Compare and contrast:



Meanwhile, in Norfolk


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-61587994

What's that plank on about, I was doing 72 hours per week throughout the lockdown because someone deemed me a key worker and was to knackered to let hair down and what's this clowns definition of letting hair down, fighting and puking up in the heart of government, abusing the help trying to clean up the mess and puke

[1andrew1]

I've just been reading a really good thread on a side to Partygate that's not been covered yet.

Every essential worker I know, for bodies small or large (and my partner is one such essential worker), was subject to strict shift rotations, staggered arrival times, work bubbles - to minimise the chance of infection leaving the organisation without even a skeleton staff.

Not Downing St. Not even after several ministers were infected and the PM, reportedly, nearly died. No. The PM would meet MPs (one of them infected), then have a COBRA meeting, then speak at a leaving do with senior staff packed in a room, then go to another party in his flat.

The PM would toast his birthday, with his Cabinet Secretary, wife and decorator, in the same room as the Chancellor (any basic risk planning would keep those two, during an infectious pandemic), then usher his entire scientific staff for a Covid meeting IN THE SAME ROOM.

THIS, in my view, is the most shocking and truly unforgivable aspect of #Partygate. And the aspect that cannot be explained away by any rules interpretation. What was happening in Downing St was not just a breach of the rules. It was dangerous - for them and for us.

At a minimum, staff should have been split into three multi-discplinary teams which never came into physical contact with each other. At a minimum, the offices key to our response - PM, Chancellor, Health Sec, Home Sec, Foreign Sec, should never have breathed the same air.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...39456068067328

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've just been reading a really good thread on a side to Partygate that's not been covered yet.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...39456068067328

Excellent. In other words the key management of the UK could have been laid low (on several occasions) by flouting the regulations intended to prevent that, amongst other things.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've just been reading a really good thread on a side to Partygate that's not been covered yet.

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...39456068067328

Every essential worker I know, for bodies small or large (and my partner is one such essential worker), was subject to strict shift rotations, staggered arrival times, work bubbles - to minimise the chance of infection leaving the organisation without even a skeleton staff.

and I know lots of essential workers where that wasn't the case......

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/stat...5dsmZFo5SR4sUw

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Absolutely agree. No 10 have taken us all for fools and lowered the trust between the people and their government.

The only way to do rebuild trust is for Johnson to be replaced.

The way they dumped untested patients on care homes and procured poor quality PPE from their friends were two scandals which endangered the lives of run-down NHS staff.

God, how many times are you going to repeat the same old guff?

And it was the NHS Chief who ordered the care home patients out of hospital without checks, not Matt Hancock.When he became aware of Simon Stephens’ circular letter, he withdrew that decision.

There was also a worldwide shortage of PPE, and all efforts were made to procure more through as many routes as possible.

Are you working on the basis that if you keep repeating this stuff, people will start believing it?

[Sephiroth]

Andrew is right.

The only way to do rebuild trust is for Johnson to be replaced.

Polls say that 59% of the population want Boris to go - there is insufficient trust. Indeed, anyone can openly see Boris for what he is - a man of poor judgement, insensitive and absolutely insincere in his apology.

All he wants is to remain as PM. Never mind the good calls previously ascribed to him - that goodwill was cashed in long ago. He's a laughing stock in Europe and a national embarrassment.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

God, how many times are you going to repeat the same old guff?

It's not every day Mick and I agree. You should rejoice in this special moment.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

God, how many times are you going to repeat the same old guff?

Projected the tiresome rebuttaller churning out more old guff than anyone else on the forum has ever

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Projected the tiresome rebuttaller churning out more old guff than anyone else on the forum has ever

Whoa.

OB has made two postulations:

1. Wait & see what Sue Gray reveals (OB leaned towards his exoneration);
2, What's all the fuss about - a non-criminal FPN?

OB has avoided commenting on Boris' judgement over matters such as the Owen Paterson affair. Hence OB is not criticising Boris for his serious errors of judgement (that the rest of us know about.)

OB wants the PM to get on with what needs to be done. I agree, so long as it's not Boris.