Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Depends how you define worst. He did at least do some things of note. May on the other hand did nothing at all. So I would put his tenure above hers. A very low bar I know.

She set a low bar. But Johnson has managed to limbo dance underneath it with the Brexishambles, corruption and Partygate all denting the Party's and country's reputation.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by denphone

Expect The Daily Mail and the Daily Express to run a campaign trying to stop Rishi Sunak becoming leader in these coming weeks.

He wouldn't win against any of the others anyway

The membership don't care for him apparently.

Boris vs May depends on how you're rating it right? In terms of election success and execution of policy then Johnson would outrank May in having won a big majority in 2019 and passing Brexit.

What I think will stand out about Boris Johnson's tenure is how quickly he threw away a commanding position to make a bigger legacy though stupid mistakes.

I think Boris started to believe his own hype.
He did the job most elected him for, and a reasonable job in the pandemic.
In the end, he had no choice but to go, I dont see the potential replacements standing out as much better TBH,

[Media Boy UK]

Confirmed television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates so far:

July 15th:
Channel 4 from 7.30pm

July 17th:
ITV, UTV and STV from 7pm

July 18th:
Sky News from 8pm (Broadcast time TBC)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

She negotiated a much better deal with the EU than Bozzo did.

She didn’t, because she didn’t do a deal.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK

Confirmed television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates so far:

July 15th:
Channel 4 from 7.30pm

July 17th:
ITV, UTV and STV from 7pm

July 18th:
Sky News from 8pm (Broadcast time TBC)

I personally don't understand why they do this for any of the parties. The debates aren't aimed at the general public and the internal debates they have within their own party will be different to whenever the election comes around next.

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I personally don't understand why they do this for any of the parties. The debates aren't aimed at the general public and the internal debates they have within their own party will be different to whenever the election comes around next.

The person who wins becomes our PM though so there is a public interest to see what they say even if it's pitched to the membership. I think it'll be interesting anyway because they'll probably have to pitch to that membership whilst being aware this might be the first exposure they're getting to the wider electorate.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexishambles

if you’re referring to the NI Protocol, that’s still not resolved

corruption

What corruption?

Partygate

Poor yes, should we talking about it 7 months later, absolutely no. It is now totally irrelevant. Only the deranged would refer to it now.


People can’t separate from who the man is from what the man did, not perfect no, but neither the devil incarnate.

God forbid, now he’s gone, Labour may now have to have positions on things and policies and stuff. Look forward to hearing them.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

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Poor yes, should we talking about it 7 months later, absolutely no. It is now totally irrelevant. Only the deranged would refer to it now.

Nobody, anywhere, can seriously expect a politician who lies and breaks the law to simply allow 7 months to pass and it’ll be all over.

The opposition would be howling it from the rooftops from now til the next election. A fact so transparently obvious to the party who have deposed him a mere four weeks after backing him.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

if you’re referring to the NI Protocol, that’s still not resolved

That and other aspects of this bungled Brexit. eg

Port operators demand funding to cover ‘white elephant’ border facility
Portsmouth International Port said it was required by the Government to create the £25 million site which remains unused.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2116440.html

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Originally Posted by Pierre

What corruption?

Where have you been the last couple of years?

Feel free to take your choice from any of the examples below.

Corruption experts warn Boris Johnson’s government is worst since WWII

Robert Barrington, Professor of Anti-Corruption Practice at the Centre for the Study of Corruption in the University of Sussex said: "There is more corruption and corruption risk in and around this government than any UK government since the Second World War.

The latest row over the Partygate inquiry came just 48 hours after new evidence suggested that the prime minister misled the public over his role prioritising the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan last year. He had previously denied any involvement.

The prime minister has also found himself embroiled in a scandal over private donors financing a lavish refurbishment of his private Downing Street flat.

And last year the government was forced to back down after it moved to abolish a standards watchdog which had recommended mild sanctions against a Tory MP who broke lobbying rules.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2002869.html

When he repeatedly ignored conflict-of-interest rules
Boris Johnson broke rules on financial interests three times in less than a year. He breached the Ministerial Code in August 2018 by starting a £275,000-a-year newspaper column just three days after quitting as Foreign Secretary. In December 2018 he was ordered to apologise for failing to declare £52,723 of income on time.

When he was accused of a major conflict of interest
A string of ethics probes were launched into Boris Johnson in September 2019 after the Sunday Times revealed his friendship with the model-turned-tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri. The London Assembly - whose rules forbid favourable treatment to friends - launched an investigation after the relatively novice American went on three trade missions Mr Johnson led as mayor in 2014 and 2015.

Ms Arcuri - who later said they had an affair - admitted Mr Johnson visited her combined flat and office in Shoreditch a "handful" of times. The PM was branded “unfit for office” after insisting there was “no interest to declare”.

When he tried to tear up ethics rules to save a mate
The PM ordered Tory MPs to rip up ethics rules and block a 30-day suspension of Conservative Owen Paterson for lobbying breaches. The vote passed, but more than 100 Conservatives refused to back the plans and Keir Starmer accused the government of corruption.

Mr Johnson U-turned less than 24 hours later, as Labour boycotted the body which would have drawn up new standards. Mr Paterson later resigned as a Tory MP.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...-lied-24419765

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Originally Posted by Pierre

God forbid, now he’s gone, Labour may now have to have positions on things and policies and stuff. Look forward to hearing them.

That's yet another good thing to come out of his "resignation" then.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

People can’t separate from who the man is from what the man did, not perfect no, but neither the devil incarnate.

He crossed the line many many times and paid the price. He'll do ok with lots of speaking engagements in the US, Asia Pac and the Middle East so no need for anyone to get the Kleenex out just yet.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Where have you been the last couple of years?

Feel free to take your choice from any of the examples below.
.

Do you. Have actual evidence of Boris Johnson being “corrupt” and I mean “corrupt”.. your term. If you do, you should advise the police and give them that evidence so he can be prosecuted.

If you don’t have that evidence, but just like throwing around the term “corrupt”, (which is what you are doing)

Then you’re just being a Richard.

[jfman]

The man who tried to get his mistress a job isn’t corrupt?

We are either through the looking glass or Pierre’s at the bottom of his wine glass. Probably the latter from the post above.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Do you. Have actual evidence of Boris Johnson being “corrupt” and I mean “corrupt”.. your term. If you do, you should advise the police and give them that evidence so he can be prosecuted.

If you don’t have that evidence, but just like throwing around the term “corrupt”, (which is what you are doing)

Then you’re just being a Richard.

The evidence is all in the public domain and there are many examples detailed in this thread.

In summary:

There is more corruption and corruption risk in and around this government than any UK government since the Second World War.

- Robert Barrington, Professor of Anti-Corruption Practice at the Centre for the Study of Corruption in the University of Sussex

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nobody, anywhere, can seriously expect a politician who lies and breaks the law to simply allow 7 months to pass and it’ll be all over.

The opposition would be howling it from the rooftops from now til the next election. A fact so transparently obvious to the party who have deposed him a mere four weeks after backing him.

Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.