The energy crisis

[jfman]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

True, the ineptitude of the government certainly won't be helping - it'll be making it much much worse for some people. I don't understand why both candidates can't say now what they'll do. If they're concerned about the one upmanship we've seen to date, then they could both release a written plan at the same time (but that would mean caring for more people than the paid up party members).

Presumably both have plans they know will be woefully inadequate. One going public hands the other an open goal - to commit to doing slightly more. Which they don't want to do.

The Government will do something, they don't have any other option. We just need to wait until they stop sucking up to Tory Members and trying to act the hardman/woman.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by peanut

It'll be goodbye to pubs, chippies, a lot of small businesses etc. Probably end up going to 3-4 day week openings for a some businesses.

These places are not protected by the Cap, and have been paying fully retail prices for energy already. I know of 2 who are powering their businesses using extension leads from attached flats that are somewhat protected by it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Government will do something, they don't have any other option. We just need to wait until they stop sucking up to Tory Members and trying to act the hardman/woman.

Will Truss's tax cuts be postponed?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

True, the ineptitude of the government certainly won't be helping - it'll be making it much much worse for some people. I don't understand why both candidates can't say now what they'll do. If they're concerned about the one upmanship we've seen to date, then they could both release a written plan at the same time (but that would mean caring for more people than the paid up party members).

There was not even one government minister doing the rounds on the airwaves this morning.

Not a great look in a time of grave crisis.

They don't care. They think they'll win the next election so they can mess around with Johnson having his sulking tour and Liz Truss and Sunak (who to be fair has said we need to help people with energy bills) are more concerned about appealing to Tory Members who can assume don't care about this issue as much as they care about tax cuts.

But they will do something next month. They don't have an option not to do so. It's bad for those of us earning salaries of course but people on disability allowance and other schemes simply cannot afford these rises. It's not a case of it being difficult, it's not a case of cutting out luxuries and economising. It's unaffordable.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If we didn't have a failed Johnson zombie government, we might know if we're expected to pick up the full whack. Instead, due to the bureaucratic and slow-moving process, millions of Brits will have sleepless nights until the next prime minister is in power.

Which will be at the start of September, the rises dont take effect until October.
Seems more like your usual the anti govenrment rants just trying to be dramatic for no real reason.
There are already known plans in place, they will no doubt be changed, but it makes little real difference if thats announced now, or in two weeks.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

Which will be at the start of September, the rises dont take effect until October.
Seems more like your usual the anti govenrment rants just trying to be dramatic for no real reason.
There are already known plans in place, they will no doubt be changed, but it makes little real difference if thats announced now, or in two weeks.

Tbf HM Gov have given us their masterplan , 'use less energy" https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...-business-live

So we can all switch off those routers, tv boxes and computers for a start. Simples.

[Jaymoss]

So the predictions I was told not to worry about were pretty damn close. Trying to find new unit rates

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From 1 October the equivalent per unit level of the price cap to the nearest pence for a typical customer paying by direct debit will be 52p per kWh for electricity customers and a standing charge of 46p per day. The equivalent per unit level for a typical gas customer is 15p per kWh with a standing charge of 28p per day.

From Ofgem

I notice the Gas standing charge increase did not happen at least

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Which will be at the start of September, the rises dont take effect until October.
Seems more like your usual the anti govenrment rants just trying to be dramatic for no real reason.
There are already known plans in place, they will no doubt be changed, but it makes little real difference if thats announced now, or in two weeks.

Time is important. If you want to target support you need to do things like cross reconcile the HMRC database with the energy retailers' databases. That's not a quick task.

[Mr K]

I predict those smart people that don't have Smart meters will use a heck of a lot energy August/September, but very little from October onwards .
The energy companies buy in advance, why can't we ?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Time is important.

When you're basing you attacks on it, of course it is.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If you want to target support you need to do things like cross reconcile the HMRC database with the energy retailers' databases. That's not a quick task.

You have a lot of experience with databases do you ?

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Originally Posted by Mr K

I predict those smart people that don't have Smart meters will use a heck of a lot energy August/September, but very little from October onwards .
The energy companies buy in advance, why can't we ?

How exactly does a smart meter allow you to buy in advance ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

How exactly does a smart meter allow you to buy in advance ?

It doesn't but if you don't have a smart meter you can

Originally Posted by Paul

You have a lot of experience with databases do you ?

To be fair if they really were going to cross-reference the 'HMRC database' against the energy companies' customer databases that probably won't be a quick and easy task. So much so that I doubt they'll take that approach.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Which will be at the start of September, the rises dont take effect until October.
Seems more like your usual the anti govenrment rants just trying to be dramatic for no real reason.
There are already known plans in place, they will no doubt be changed, but it makes little real difference if thats announced now, or in two weeks.

It's better to announce it sooner not only to give people peace of mind but if it does require some logistical work to be done that might take time. They haven't confirmed a plan because they don't have a PM yet and the two candidates have been disagreeing on what support to give.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's better to announce it sooner not only to give people peace of mind but if it does require some logistical work to be done that might take time. They haven't confirmed a plan because they don't have a PM yet and the two candidates have been disagreeing on what support to give.

If only we had an actual leader, someone in charge that could that could get Rich and dizzy lizzy by the ear and force them to a consensus, if he's in between holidays perhaps bozo could consider that more of a priority than sulking