Amazon : Star Trek: Picard

[General Maximus]

I would love it if the Q story line rolled over into season 3 and it is that which gets the whole TNG crew involved. I would actually regard that as a stroke of genius so i cant see it happening.

[General Maximus]

[Stephen]

It ended better than I expected.

Also I didn't expect that cameo!

[General Maximus]

Ditto. It had its redeeming qualities. I was hoping they were going to bring you know who back at some point but as it wasnt announced it was a lovely surprise. I am glad they are getting rid of the new cast to make way for the old but they have kept the person around who annoys me the most and it is a token gesture for the lgbtq community.

Originally Posted by General Maximus

... and it is a token gesture for the lgbtq community.

Yep, the woke/pc/lgqxzt+- brigade have now got to Picard.
Another long established character suddenly & inexplicably turned into a lesbain for the sake of it. *sigh*

I assume the "threat" referred to will be the plot of season 3.
Although it seems the new Borg queen will not be in it, sadly, Raffi will.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Paul

it seems the new Borg queen will not be in it

great, another one gone

Originally Posted by Paul

Raffi will.

hopefully they will find a way to get rid of her early on. She may the sacrificial lamb in first episode which causes Picard to get the crew back because he hasn't got anyone else. I think think they conveniently got rid of Elnor as well with him being placed on another ship.

[GrimUpNorth]

They could have done the whole story in at most a 2-parter.

[Pierre]

Well I though it it was great.

The “woke”…….not really, moment, has been telegraphed since S1, so not a massive surprise.

The Troy McClure “cameo”, hi I’m ********* and you may know me from…………… it was a good job they did that otherwise I’d have no idea who he was.


However, I do recall the “Traveller” from a TNG episode, so I assume that’s the link.

It was a great episode, even quite emotional between Q and Picard.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

They could have done the whole story in at most a 2-parter.

exactly

Originally Posted by Pierre

The “woke”…….not really, moment,

you aren't going to believe this but my realism factor agrees with you. Out of all the characters in all the tv series in existence if anyone was going to be lesbian or even non-binary it would be Seven and I am happy with it because it makes sense. She literally started with a blank slate and had to discover herself. It makes sense that she would try different people (like food) and works out what she likes and what makes her happy. I have no problem with her being bi (thinking about previous relationship with Chakotay), lesbian or eventually non-binary.

Now that she has got some of her Borg aesthetic back I would like to see more of her traditional Borgy side in season 3 like her nano tubes

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

They could have done the whole story in at most a 2-parter.

They really couldn’t have. The bare bones of this season are the ‘fix the past’ plot, which is a Star Trek staple but in this case most akin to Star Trek IV, a feature length story which itself has a 2 hour running time (ie a fraction more than 2 episodes). There was, however, a heck of a lot more going on here. The Picard backstory, the Guinean backstory, the Soong/Khan backstory, the Borg alliance story, the Q mortality/Picard relationship story … each one of these was an episode’s worth. They’ve been wrapped up in a single, serialised adventure which perhaps obscures the fact a little; back in the 1980s and 90s each of these topics might have been given a self-contained 40 minute episode where it really would have been rushed.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Chris

They really couldn’t have. The bare bones of this season are the ‘fix the past’ plot, which is a Star Trek staple but in this case most akin to Star Trek IV, a feature length story which itself has a 2 hour running time (ie a fraction more than 2 episodes). There was, however, a heck of a lot more going on here. The Picard backstory, the Guinean backstory, the Soong/Khan backstory, the Borg alliance story, the Q mortality/Picard relationship story … each one of these was an episode’s worth. They’ve been wrapped up in a single, serialised adventure which perhaps obscures the fact a little; back in the 1980s and 90s each of these topics might have been given a self-contained 40 minute episode where it really would have been rushed.

We're going to have to disagree. I sincerely believe it's not done the franchise any favours.

Originally Posted by General Maximus

exactly

Not.

Your problem (or so it seems to me) is that you expected there to be a very rigid, straightforward plot line from the opening sequence aboard USS Stargazer which resolved the central mystery with as little fuss as possible. As long as it looks and sounds good enough to be immersive your realism factor is satisfied.

What they actually did was come up with as many different stories as you would have found in 10 episodes of TNG, then wove them together into one story. It was messy and overlapping and altogether more realistic than normal life on TV where characters only ever face one neat, self-contained problem per week.

Now that she has got some of her Borg aesthetic back I would like to see more of her traditional Borgy side in season 3 like her nano tubes

Pervert …

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

We're going to have to disagree. I sincerely believe it's not done the franchise any favours.

I have no need for you to agree with me.

It has set up a whole third season and seeded any number of potential spin-offs, right at the time when the owner of the property is launching a new streaming service and is looking for programming ideas. I think it’s done the franchise a whole ton of favours.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Chris

Not.

Your problem (or so it seems to me) is that you expected there to be a very rigid, straightforward plot line from the opening sequence aboard USS Stargazer which resolved the central mystery with as little fuss as possible. As long as it looks and sounds good enough to be immersive your realism factor is satisfied.

What they actually did was come up with as many different stories as you would have found in 10 episodes of TNG, then wove them together into one story. It was messy and overlapping and altogether more realistic than normal life on TV where characters only ever face one neat, self-contained problem per week.



Pervert …

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I have no need for you to agree with me.

It has set up a whole third season and seeded any number of potential spin-offs, right at the time when the owner of the property is launching a new streaming service and is looking for programming ideas. I think it’s done the franchise a whole ton of favours.

Well looking at Rotten Tomato, the critics have the same view as you and generally approve. Shame the same can't be said for the audience scores. Link

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your problem (or so it seems to me) is that you expected there to be a very rigid, straightforward plot line from the opening sequence aboard USS Stargazer which resolved the central mystery with as little fuss as possible

quite the opposite. I love multiple plot lines like Game of Thrones, The Expanse and even Dr Strange today. What I hate is shoddy writing and trying to introduce new story arcs for the sake of padding out an episode or season and dealing with them properly. I like deep rich worthwhile stories which are proper resolved.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Well looking at Rotten Tomato, the critics have the same view as you and generally approve. Shame the same can't be said for the audience scores. Link

I don’t pay too much attention to internet polls. They’re infinitely vulnerable to what, in the good old days, would have been called a letter-writing campaign.

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Originally Posted by General Maximus

quite the opposite. I love multiple plot lines like Game of Thrones, The Expanse and even Dr Strange today. What I hate is shoddy writing and trying to introduce new story arcs for the sake of padding out an episode or season and dealing with them properly. I like deep rich worthwhile stories which are proper resolved.

Which is exactly what we got. It just seems that they weren’t the story arcs that you wanted.