Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

defines it as "a native of Scotland or person of Scottish descent".

That makes me a "Scot" then, My fathers place of birth on my Birth Certificate clearly states Scotland.

Can I have vote?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That makes me a "Scot" then, My fathers place of birth on my Birth Certificate clearly states Scotland.

Can I have vote?

What is all this nit-picking about? The word "Scot" is defined in the various dictionaries and what matters from my point of view is what I said earlier:

My (arrogant) post of 17-July sets out some of the things that need to be settled before a referendum should take place - so that the Scots will know the score in advance.

There's nothing more to it. So why pick an argument about the term "Scot"? And especially no point in asking me which type of Scot will be given a referendum vote.

[OLD BOY]

I’m afraid that pedantry rules on this site, Seph.

I see now that the SNP/Greens alliance is being criticised for being a bonkers arrangement which many will not like and will end up making independence for Scotland less popular, demolishing Nicola Sturgeon’s plans for a ‘successful’ referendum as she sees it.

The pressure that will be exerted by the Greens to stop relying on the oil fields will be a major blow to Scotland’s economic case for independence (even though the more thinking Scots appreciate that the plans to achieve carbon neutrality will make them uneconomic well before 2050).

Bonkers politics it is, then!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m afraid that pedantry rules on this site, Seph.

I see now that the SNP/Greens alliance is being criticised for being a bonkers arrangement which many will not like and will end up making independence for Scotland less popular, demolishing Nicola Sturgeon’s plans for a ‘successful’ referendum as she sees it.

The pressure that will be exerted by the Greens to stop relying on the oil fields will be a major blow to Scotland’s economic case for independence (even though the more thinking Scots appreciate that the plans to achieve carbon neutrality will make them uneconomic well before 2050).

Bonkers politics it is, then!

I think most people - including the oil companies - believe that Scotland should stop relying on its oil fields.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m afraid that pedantry rules on this site, Seph.

I see now that the SNP/Greens alliance is being criticised for being a bonkers arrangement which many will not like and will end up making independence for Scotland less popular, demolishing Nicola Sturgeon’s plans for a ‘successful’ referendum as she sees it.

The pressure that will be exerted by the Greens to stop relying on the oil fields will be a major blow to Scotland’s economic case for independence (even though the more thinking Scots appreciate that the plans to achieve carbon neutrality will make them uneconomic well before 2050).

Bonkers politics it is, then!

Not just bonkers politics, btw.

Now which would that be? Residents of Scotland? Bon in Scotland? Scottish people living in England/Wales? I'm sure Chris would want to know.

[OLD BOY]

I’m beyond caring….

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m beyond caring….

I have 2 sons 30 and 33 years old they both want Scotland to go as they are sick of paying for it and believe England will be much wealthier without the Scottish millstone around our necks, as for me i like the union.

Nicola Sturgeon insisting she wants a referendum while quietly sabotaging the process because she knows she can’t win it … surely not.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Nicola Sturgeon insisting she wants a referendum while quietly sabotaging the process because she knows she can’t win it … surely not.

She's a wily politician but I don't see how she's sabotaging the process.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

She's a wily politician but I don't see how she's sabotaging the process.

As OB suggested … bringing the Greens into government will not win over any of the voters who don’t like their politics to the SNP’s point of view.

I was being slightly tongue in cheek, however Sturgeon is on record as saying she thought another referendum shouldn’t happen until there was sustained and substantial support for separation in the polls. She can never admit it out loud but she really doesn’t want to hold a referendum right now. It’s too risky. However, if she did say it out loud there would be a leadership challenge so she has to keep kicking the can down the road, looking like she’s keen but never quite bringing it about.

[Pierre]

The SNP appear to be doing a great job of implementing mindbending legislation, like arresting you for speaking your mind in your own home, letting people self identify as whatever sex they feel like when they feel like. You know stuff that really resonates with the common man I’m sure. Not doing so well on drugs, nuts and education though.

They’re only in power because the poor people in Scotland literally have no other choice, if any one fancies starting a new left of centre to centre party in Scotland for the common man now’s the time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

As OB suggested … bringing the Greens into government will not win over any of the voters who don’t like their politics to the SNP’s point of view.

I was being slightly tongue in cheek, however Sturgeon is on record as saying she thought another referendum shouldn’t happen until there was sustained and substantial support for separation in the polls. She can never admit it out loud but she really doesn’t want to hold a referendum right now. It’s too risky. However, if she did say it out loud there would be a leadership challenge so she has to keep kicking the can down the road, looking like she’s keen but never quite bringing it about.

I think the alliance with the Greens achieves what it set out to do - create a pro-independence Scottish government. Attempting to judge the alliance on other criteria misses the point.

I do have some sympathy with the kicking-the-tin-can-down-the-lane argument, though. It will be interesting to see how it develops.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the alliance with the Greens achieves what it set out to do - create a pro-independence Scottish government. Attempting to judge the alliance on other criteria misses the point.

I do have some sympathy with the kicking-the-tin-can-down-the-lane argument, though. It will be interesting to see how it develops.

Not really, Andrew. You wouldn’t expect the Labour Party to go into coalition with the Communists or the Conservatives to pair up with the Fascists.

It is extremely important to carefully consider the partners you go into coalition with to maintain credibility and the support of the people who elected you.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not really, Andrew. You wouldn’t expect the Labour Party to go into coalition with the Communists or the Conservatives to pair up with the Fascists.

It is extremely important to carefully consider the partners you go into coalition with to maintain credibility and the support of the people who elected you.

The Green Party in Scotland is nothing like those two other organisations you cite. You're being blinded by your prejudices on this one I'm afraid.

The curated Wikipedia page describes it as "Centre-left to left-wing".

[Sephiroth]

The Greens are generally nutters hell-bent on destroying prosperity as the price for giving up meat, electricity, petrol and so on. The Scots (i.e. those resident in Scotland) are presumably sufficiently educated to re-align at the appropriate election point as their government increasingly comes up with insane policies.

The Scots (i.e. those resident outside Scotland) will remain powerless to see their homeland go even further down the pan.



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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Green Party in Scotland is nothing like those two other organisations you cite. You're being blinded by your prejudices on this one I'm afraid.

I'm extremely prejudiced against the Greens based on the ones I know.