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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Saying the words "just pull yourself together" never helped anyone

Just saying

Yup - it’s like saying about a broken leg "just walk it off…".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Saying the words "just pull yourself together" never helped anyone

Nor has victimhood.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Russ

Some people enjoy victim status. Others of us prefer to fight back. Live life on your feet or on your knees. Your call.

As a Christian I'd say that living life on your knees seems like a really good option.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nor has victimhood.

What helps from others is understanding compassion and empathy

Judging those suffering as weak just makes you a compounding part of the problem

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Saying the words "just pull yourself together" never helped anyone

Just saying

Same as get a grip or man up really, how does that help anyone having an episode? They'd be better of not saying anything and just listening if that's the best they've got, that is assuming they actually want to help of course

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Saying the words "just pull yourself together" never helped anyone

Just saying

Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Wow .... you really do live up to your name.

Insults and talking riddles doesn't tend to work with neuro diverse people.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

What helps from others is understanding compassion and empathy

Judging those suffering as weak just makes you a compounding part of the problem

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

As a Christian I'd say that living life on your knees seems like a really good option.

Love it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

What helps from others is understanding compassion and empathy

Judging those suffering as weak just makes you a compounding part of the problem

You can be empathetic, compassionate and be not viewing those suffering as weak. But also the only person that can make the change is you (with support from others …great, but it’s still you).

The victim mentality that it’s all the worlds fault that you’re in the situation you’re in (or anyone’s fault other than you) absolves you of any agency to sort yourself out.

Sometimes telling someone to sort themselves out, can be the compassionate, supportive and loving thing to do.

I can help someone, but I can’t help someone who won’t help themselves.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Same as get a grip or man up really, how does that help anyone having an episode? They'd be better of not saying anything and just listening if that's the best they've got, that is assuming they actually want to help of course

Not in the snap of the moment, no, not helpful. But long term that has to be faced up.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can be empathetic, compassionate and be not viewing those suffering as weak. But also the only person that can make the change is you (with support from others …great, but it’s still you).

The victim mentality that it’s all the worlds fault that you’re in the situation you’re in (or anyone’s fault other than you) absolves you of any agency to sort yourself out.

Sometimes telling someone to sort themselves out, can be the compassionate, supportive and loving thing to do.

I can help someone, but I can’t help someone who won’t help themselves.

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Not in the snap of the moment, no, not helpful. But long term that has to be faced up.

So it is my fault I suffered a brain disease when I was 6 nice

You Sir have just shown the fact the vast majority have very little understanding of mental health issues

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

So it is my fault I suffered a brain disease when I was 6 nice

I don’t know you. As usual people personalise a broader discussion to shut it down.

You Sir have just shown the fact the vast majority have very little understanding of mental health issues

You sir, have just refused to further the discussion.

I don’t know your personal circumstances, but I assume whatever your issues and difficulties it is you that drives yourself to battle through your impediments. You will no doubt have bad days, as we all do, but I’m assuming you have agency over your life.

Or are you totally at the behest of others and unable function in anything in life unless someone does it for you?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t know you. As usual people personalise a broader discussion to shut it down.



You sir, have just refused to further the discussion.

I don’t know your personal circumstances, but I assume whatever your issues and difficulties it is you that drives yourself to battle through your impediments. You will no doubt have bad days, as we all do, but I’m assuming you have agency over your life.

Or are you totally at the behest of others and unable function in anything in life unless someone does it for you?

I do not have agency over how my brain effects my psychology no matter how hard I try to keep it together.

Some mental health issues are biological so no one has control over them. Prime example is Bipolar which is said to be genetic. So no matter how loving you might be telling a sufferer to pull themselves together will do nothing other than alienate you from them. See lack of understanding

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We are not talking standard anxiety like you worry how big your phone bill is here or when you tell your friends oh I am depressed cuz Arsenal threw the championship away (not you you but in general)

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Insults and talking riddles doesn't tend to work with neuro diverse people.

Your reply shows you understood it perfectly.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You now need to work on your incorrect assumptions and beliefs about other disabled people, particularly how their disabilities affect them.

And you need to work on minding your own business as well as ending your cock-eyed belief that you're some sort of expert on other peoples' conditions.

In short - stay in your own lane pal.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Russ

And you need to work on minding your own business as well as ending your cock-eyed belief that you're some sort of expert on other peoples' conditions.

In short - stay in your own lane pal.

I was genuinely congratulating you because you now appear to have accepted that your conditions do affect you after all, which is contrary to what you used to claim, but you've taken it the wrong way.

I must stress that I don't blame you personally for this. One of the traits of those with Aspergers/autism is poor social skills which can cause those affected to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Communicating via the written word doesn't help either.

You are very likely to genuinely believe what you say rather than deliberately being unpleasant. It's the fault of your learning difficulties not you.

Take care of yourself.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I was genuinely congratulating you because you now appear to have accepted that your conditions do affect you after all, which is contrary to what you used to claim, but you've taken it the wrong way.

I must stress that I don't blame you personally for this. One of the traits of those with Aspergers/autism is poor social skills which can cause those affected to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Communicating via the written word doesn't help either.

You are very likely to genuinely believe what you say rather than deliberately being unpleasant. It's the fault of your learning difficulties not you.

Take care of yourself.

Richard please put down your spade, if you dig yourself any deeper into your hole you will never be able to climb out.

You are the one who is being unpleasant and also being very condescending. You appear to think you know Russ but your comments about him are so off the mark as to be laughable!

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Richard please put down your spade, if you dig yourself any deeper into your hole you will never be able to climb out.

You are the one who is being unpleasant and also being very condescending. You appear to think you know Russ but your comments about him are so off the mark as to be laughable!

Sounds extremely painful...