Russia has invaded Ukraine

Here comes the False Flag excuse from Russia…

Originally Posted by Mick

Ukraine LATEST: Leaders of Separatist regions ask President Putin for help against Ukrainian army “aggression”, according to Russian news agency, Interfax.

Latest: Ukraine response to this forces then to urgently request a UN Security Council meeting.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Latest: Ukraine response to this forces then to urgently request a UN Security Council meeting.

BREAKING: Emergency meeting of UN Security Council will begin at 2130 est (New York time), in 2 hours time. Requested by Ukraine, supported by UK, USA and others.

U.S Secretary of State, Antony Blinken says he believes Russia will commence full on invasion of Ukraine before night is over.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

I dont think there would be an invasion.
I'm pretty sure its no coincidence he waited until Trump got dumped and replaced by the damp squib they have now

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It might bite Russia more than they think, and become like another Afghanistan.

Not convinced Donny would have got involved at all and certainly not gone any further than damp squib has. Wonder how many Chechen war veterans are still in the Russian army, first time round they didn't win in spite of an absolutely overwhelming advantage in men and equipment, might turn out similar this time round.

Vlad's been on the telly saying he's sending the troops in and explosions have been reported, apparently he doesn't want to occupy the Ukraine, just denazify it

And so it begins: Several explosions heard in Ukraine Capital, Kyiv.

Multiple Ukraine cities under attack. Biden decries Russian aggression as unjustified and unprovoked, says he will address America people and the World later on.

US President Joe Biden has said in statement: 'President Putin has chosen a premeditated war that will bring a catastrophic loss of life'

More from Biden:

Russia alone is responsible for the death and destruction this attack will bring, and the United States and its Allies and partners will respond in a united and decisive way.

The world will hold Russia accountable.

DefConWarningSystem just now:

Report that United States is moving government officials to safety/bunkers. We are working on confirmation. -

Edit: DEFCONWarningSystem clarifies above with chilling effect:

CLARIFICATION: Report that United States is moving government officials IN THE UNITED STATES to safety/bunkers. We are working on confirmation -

[Blackshep]

This is not going to end well this blatant aggression cannot be ignored or not responded too expect a ramping up of military activity in the west. Putin has made a mistake here he doesn't have the support of the Russian people and if this drags on his support will evaporate quickly as sanction's and asset freezing hits hard. Nobody who has taken part in conflict ever wants to see it again but our arm's are being twisted by a man who truly believes he has a destiny and even worse Putin is the type that if he's going down he will take as many as much as he can with him.

My thought's go to Ukraine and it's people and I hope they make Russia pay a heavy price for this.

The U.K now needs to apply full and brutal sanctions.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

The U.K now needs to apply full and brutal sanctions.

We should have done that already. Too much Russian money in London, we've become dependent on it. Our reaction has been piss poor.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Damien

The U.K now needs to apply full and brutal sanctions.

The crippling one would be their removal from SWIFT. I can’t see that happening tbh

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Originally Posted by Mr K

We should have done that already. Too much Russian money in London, we've become dependent on it. Our reaction has been piss poor.

I’m not sure what sanctions would make Putin sit up and take notice, he appears via his last couple of televised addresses to be living in a fantasyland.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The crippling one would be their removal from SWIFT. I can’t see that happening tbh

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I’m not sure what sanctions would make Putin sit up and take notice, he appears via his last couple of televised addresses to be living in a fantasyland.

The Russians have already told us sneeringly that they don’t give a s***t about our sanctions. Putin is looking east to China for the help he needs. The last thing the world needs is for these two countries to work together.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The U.K now needs to apply full and brutal sanctions.

Over the last ten years or so, we've been actively courting Russian money such that our capital has acquired the nickname in finance as Londongrad.

If we believe sanctions work or are morally justified, what should we do about companies like Stellantis (Peugeot-Citroen-Vauxhall-Fiat) and Renault that own car and van factories in Russia? Ban technology transfer? Ban exports to the UK? Tell them to divest? And what about ownership of Chelsea FC and The Standard newspaper?

Good to see Liz Truss being called out on TV yesterday for courting Russian donations to the Conservative Party. BBC Breakfast viewers praise Dan Walker for ‘absolutely skewering’ Liz Truss with her own photo alongside Russian Tory donor

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’m not sure what sanctions would make Putin sit up and take notice, he appears via his last couple of televised addresses to be living in a fantasyland.

That's the trouble - as others have eluded to, he's a bit unhinged. He's lied to his country, created a fantasyland and has ended up believing that fantasy himself!

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The Russians have already told us sneeringly that they don’t give a s***t about our sanctions. Putin is looking east to China for the help he needs. The last thing the world needs is for these two countries to work together.

Ah yes, those Russians that always state the truth and never peddle misinformation or untruths, ever.

If they were booted out of SWIFT they would soon care, but, highly unlikely to occur since the US would be deeply concerned about any potential move away from the USDs use in the global economy.

China is staying publicly at least fairly neutral at the moment, advocating diplomacy. I'd be more concerned about India they've yet to tip their hand in terms of support.

There's apparently significant distress amongst several Russian politicians at the actions Putin is taking.

https://www.moex.com/n41370/?nt=201

This was after losing 40% of it’s value in the last week.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah yes, those Russians that always state the truth and never peddle misinformation or untruths, ever.

If they were booted out of SWIFT they would soon care, but, highly unlikely to occur since the US would be deeply concerned about any potential move away from the USDs use in the global economy.

China is staying publicly at least fairly neutral at the moment, advocating diplomacy. I'd be more concerned about India they've yet to tip their hand in terms of support.

There's apparently significant distress amongst several Russian politicians at the actions Putin is taking.

They’ll probably keep quiet about it, as critics of the regime seem to accidentally fall out of windows…

If Putin is successful with the invasion of Ukraine, it will be Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Georgia next…

[GrimUpNorth]

My thoughts for what they're worth, if you look wars in general the invading side can normally at best expect a high score draw but normally it's long and drawn out that more often than not results in a resounding home win.

If as is being said the obscenely wealthy Russians are supporting Vlad then they're the ones who probably have the best chance in persuading him to stop. We shouldn't freeze their assets, we should seize their assets because a friend of Vlad is an enemy of us all. All those London mansions could make nice hostels for homeless people and we should spend any Russian money we find on arming Ukrainians who at this very moment are probably organising themselves in to resistance groups - particularly after President Zelenskyy authorised Ukrainians to take up arms. I don't think even Vlad would miss the irony of Russian money being used to defend against him.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

If we let Vlad get away with Ukraine, it'll also be game over for Tawain as China won't think twice about exploiting our perceived weekness.

I do hope I'm wrong but I still think this is on the cards.