Will Scotland Leave the UK?
04-07-2022, 00:16
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
If the wee w8tch gets her ref2 then I think they should have more str8ct rules on what counts as a 2in for yes. For example it needs to be a clear majority, like 60% in favour. Where as if it was 51% yes and 49% no then it should count as that's barely a success.
Or just forget about it and fix the country and run it properly.
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04-07-2022, 07:22
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Mr K
So let them have their vote then, no worries...
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So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?
How very democratic. And how very EU.
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04-07-2022, 08:16
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Stephen
If the wee w8tch gets her ref2 then I think they should have more str8ct rules on what counts as a 2in for yes. For example it needs to be a clear majority, like 60% in favour. Where as if it was 51% yes and 49% no then it should count as that's barely a success.
Or just forget about it and fix the country and run it properly.
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Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?
How very democratic. And how very EU.
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Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
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04-07-2022, 08:32
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.
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Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
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Just the re-runs
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04-07-2022, 08:59
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.
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Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
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We all know what OB meant.
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04-07-2022, 09:19
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Wasn't the polls in Eire to join the EU a bit like that. Keep asking until you get a "yes" vote.
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04-07-2022, 09:28
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Denmark had two on the Maastricht Treaty. The first was a No, so of course there had to be another.
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04-07-2022, 12:25
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
The UK set the precedent by overturning the 1975 result.
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04-07-2022, 13:33
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
Wasn't the polls in Eire to join the EU a bit like that. Keep asking until you get a "yes" vote.
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No, they weren’t - there were 2 referendums on accepting the Lisbon Treaty, not on joining the EU.
The first referendum was held in June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%, with a turnout of 53%.[
The second referendum was held in October 2009, and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%, with a turnout of 59%.
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04-07-2022, 15:46
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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The UK set the precedent by overturning the 1975 result.
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1) How can it be the precedent, when it was the last example, not the first?
2) 51 year gap v 1 year gap between votes. Not only once in a generation, but different questions.
3) 1975 was to be in the European Economic Community, which is very different and a large number of additional countries, compared to the EU which it morphed into.
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04-07-2022, 21:49
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?
How very democratic. And how very EU.
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No. Was just giving the latest opinion poll OB.
Just like we could apply to rejoin the EU, the Scots could apply to rejoin the UK. Both, of course, could be told to Foxtrot Oscar...
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04-07-2022, 22:15
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Hugh
No, they weren’t - there were 2 referendums on accepting the Lisbon Treaty, not on joining the EU.
The first referendum was held in June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%, with a turnout of 53%.[
The second referendum was held in October 2009, and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%, with a turnout of 59%.
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Semantics.
Two treaties we didn’t even get a vote on.
Maastricht - which is basically what turned the EEC into the EU and a political entity, followed by
Lisbon which basically turned the EU into a quasi-state.
All members need to agree. The Rep of Ireland did not agree but rather than accept that, the question was asked again (sound familiar) and was overturned a year later.
This is not the first time. Ireland’s laws meant that they had to have a vote on at his type of thing. They initially rejected the Treaty of Nice, only to have to vote again on it a year later.
Denmark was also ordered to think again on Maastricht.
https://www.statista.com/chart/16479...a-second-vote/
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04-07-2022, 23:27
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Denmark had two on the Maastricht Treaty. The first was a No, so of course there had to be another.
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You missed out that the Danes secured that with the Edinburgh Agreement, Denmark would have four opt-outs in the fields of European citizenship, economic and monetary union, defence policy, and justice and home affairs. This allowed the proposal to be reconsidered since the proposition had changed.
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23-11-2022, 10:12
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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The Scottish government cannot hold an independence referendum without UK government's consent, the Supreme Court has ruled.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants to hold a referendum on 19 October next year.
But the court ruled unanimously that she does not have the power to do so.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-63727562
To the surprise of no-one, I expect. We now look forward to 2 years of Nicola telling us she’s decreed by force of her mighty will that the 2024 general election is in fact a referendum.
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23-11-2022, 10:28
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Chris
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If they keep voting overwhelmingly for a pro-independence party, she has a valid point.
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