Coronavirus

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-o...-leak-807b7b0a

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

Extraordinary if true. Still not confirmed, it's 'low-confidence', but now more likely than not according to the U.S Energy Department anyway.

[Taf]

Why would the Energy Department be in a position to determine anything about a virus?

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-o...-leak-807b7b0a



Extraordinary if true. Still not confirmed, it's 'low-confidence', but now more likely than not according to the U.S Energy Department anyway.

Well, there are of course two sides to any "lab leak" in that the leak may have been intentional or it might have happened by accident.


It's interesting how this turns around when the facts are yet to be ascertained about something though. When most people were saying (and still with no proof) that it came from bats then to pangolins then spilled over to humans in the wet market, this was the definitive version of what had happened and anyone even remotely suggesting otherwise was no doubt dismissed by some as a conspiracy theorist.



All of a sudden more research and investigation lands more weight on the lab leak theory and maybe this will become the truth.


I daresay if you'd said this maybe 2 1/2 years ago people would be telling you you're a covidiot or something. Like the abuse some people got for questioning the effectiveness of various mitigations such as lockdowns, masks, school closures, distancing, then you'd get people washing their shopping and refusing to touch deliveries for days, etc etc, the whole thing was full of possible responses some of which probably did work and some of which might have made the issues worse or not made any difference. It seems the only thing which really worked is having some immunity, vaccines helped with severing the link between infection and more severe illness in a lot of people, but clearly aren't perfect or weren't meant to be as you can still get and spread covid when you are vaccinated. And who knows how that will end up long term if there are any effects we don't know about in say 10-20 years time?


Shows the importance of keeping open mind and not just spouting the official line without thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Taf

Why would the Energy Department be in a position to determine anything about a virus?

Well, yeah. Probably why it's not a massive story yet. But still interesting.

Originally Posted by Taf

Why would the Energy Department be in a position to determine anything about a virus?

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/co...26/id/1110185/

The Energy Department has jurisdiction over a network of U.S. laboratories and some conduct advanced biological research, making this new intelligence a significant revelation – albeit a judgment the department hedged with a label of "low confidence," sources told the Journal.

Notably, sources say the FBI and Energy Department have come to their conclusions from different intelligence.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well, yeah. Probably why it's not a massive story yet. But still interesting.

I guarantee you in a few years time (if this is actually what happened) that it will be presented as the truth, and that no other scenarios were anything but a conspiracy theory, and that it was believed at the time.


Along with ridicule for governments insisting people stay at home for a virus or wear a bit of cloth over their mouth to stop it.


If you look back, then doctors used to use leeches to bleed patients to try and get the bad blood out of them. Then they died which was presumably blamed on the illness not that the attempt to fix it made it worse. Naturally this is ridiculed now as it never stood a chance but the benefit of hindsight and modern medicine knows better; the same will apply here.


Of course, there's the valid excuse we were dealing with a new virus but in actual fact what we had was an evolution of the original SARS which could still be as deadly but in actual fact was 1. more transmissible 2. milder in a lot of infections, which helped it spread more.



But it's very 1984 to bend the narrative retrospectively, with the benefit of hindsight.

Pretty sure you can’t guarantee that…

The actual article doesn’t reflect the headline…

Readers don’t learn until the end of the third paragraph that the Energy Dept holds a minority view, and in the fifth paragraph that its conclusion is rated “low confidence”

How does that match up with the WSJ headline announcing that Covid “most likely” came from a lab leak?

To be clear, I’m not ‘against’ the lab leak theory — I’m for sticking to the known facts (and not distorting them in headlines or social media posts) while investigation of the pandemic continues.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by nffc

If you look back, then doctors used to use leeches to bleed patients to try and get the bad blood out of them. Then they died which was presumably blamed on the illness not that the attempt to fix it made it worse. Naturally this is ridiculed now

Ummm....
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk...ally-heres-why

[Pierre]

I’m not a big believer in coincidence.

Having listened to many knowledgeable people on the subject, such as Matt Ridley.

I believe it is the most likely cause.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m not a big believer in coincidence.

Having listened to many knowledgeable people on the subject, such as Matt Ridley.

I believe it is the most likely cause.

I hope he's better at science than he is at finance!

(He was chair of Northern Rock when it was rescued by the government in 2007 and a board member since 1994.)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I hope he's better at science than he is at finance!

he isn’t.

But his co-author of the book “Viral” Alina Chan, is.

Another booster (for some) in the spring.

A spring booster vaccine against Covid-19 is to be offered to people at most risk of serious illness from the disease to protect them this summer.

UK vaccine experts say it should be available to everyone over 75, care-home residents and anyone extremely vulnerable aged five and over.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64876657

[nffc]

Clearly they work well then...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nffc

Clearly they work well then...

Looking at death rates in less vaccinated areas, yes they do work well.
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...d-communities/

A large US study published by The BMJ today finds that fewer people die from covid-19 in better vaccinated communities.

The findings, based on data across 2,558 counties in 48 US states, show that counties with high vaccine coverage had a more than 80% reduction in death rates compared with largely unvaccinated counties.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Looking at death rates in less vaccinated areas, yes they do work well.
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...d-communities/

Unfortunately, such has been the lies and coercion from officialdom and the medical experts over three years. I wouldn’t trust any particular study right now. It’ll be years before the real truth ever comes out, if it ever does.