Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

[TheDaddy]

Peter Bottomly says we need to pay MPs more to avoid this kind of thing, they're struggling to get by on, well loads more than most and if we want them to not be thieving, corrupt, scumbags then we have to pay them more, who'd have thought their corruption and greed would lead to them getting a pay rise well anyone who paid attention to the expenses scandal really

In other news Owen Patterson getting a peerage has been blocked, good, if he's rewarded with anything it should be a jail sentence not a cushy job for life

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Originally Posted by jfman

Newer Tory MPs furious at No 10 order to back Owen Paterson

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-owen-paterson

At least we can put to bed the notion that this didn’t come from the top.

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The irony.

Worse than ordered, told them cash for services in their area would be cut if they didn't comply

In other news bozo and his junta have been voted our most corrupt government ever, even higher than Tony blood on his hands Blair

[jfman]

While I broadly agree with you I do - genuinely - think that paying MPs more than 82 grand, tightening up what can legitimately be claimed as an expense and the rules on “second jobs” would be better for democracy. (I also made this point in another thread recently so I’m not being opportunistic with it).

Someone getting paid 100k for a directorship 2 days a month and 82k as an MP 365 days a year cannot be anything but utterly conflicted.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

While I broadly agree with you I do - genuinely - think that paying MPs more than 82 grand, tightening up what can legitimately be claimed as an expense and the rules on “second jobs” would be better for democracy. (I also made this point in another thread recently so I’m not being opportunistic with it).

Someone getting paid 100k for a directorship 2 days a month and 82k as an MP 365 days a year cannot be anything but utterly conflicted.

It's not just 82k per year though, when you add it all up its hundreds of k per year but let's be honest it wouldn't matter what they're paid, it still wouldn't be enough

[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not just 82k per year though, when you add it all up its hundreds of k per year but let's be honest it wouldn't matter what they're paid, it still wouldn't be enough

I agree for the corruptible yes, it’d never be enough. There’s also the likelihood that lobbying would simply become indirect via family members rather than bribing MPs to corrupt democracy in disguise.

It’d turn out their partners would have surprising expertise in many fields I’m sure.

On a blue sky sunny day I definitely think an MP - restricted in taking second jobs and “expenses” is worth in excess of 200k. As long as they have focus on who they are serving for their primary - and ideally sole - income.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not just 82k per year though, when you add it all up its hundreds of k per year but let's be honest it wouldn't matter what they're paid, it still wouldn't be enough

Especially when 12 years ago one particular bumbling blond idiot current MP described his then-salary of £250k as “chicken feed”.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not just 82k per year though, when you add it all up its hundreds of k per year but let's be honest it wouldn't matter what they're paid, it still wouldn't be enough

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why stay when you can make much more in the private sector

Would be interesting to see if the fact he is no longer an MP means his private sector income reduces. After all, he will have all this extra time it really shouldn’t if he was genuinely being paid for his skills or insight.

Well, he's quit his lobbying jobs and as Seph says, is toxic, I don't think he'll be earning much now. Plus he's 65 so may focus on his retirement.

I guess due diligence needs to be undertaken before considering making him a Lord. Locations and sizes of overseas holiday homes, yachts, etc.

One thing I have never quite agreed with is any MP having a second Job.

As an elected MP, your job should be serving your constituents, full time.
If you cant do that, then you should let someone else [who can] do the job.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Paul

One thing I have never quite agreed with is any MP having a second Job.

As an elected MP, your job should be serving your constituents, full time.
If you cant do that, then you should let someone else [who can] do the job.

exactly should be banned from any other job when a MP that is your job to serve people that voted you in

[1andrew1]

Monday's debate should be interesting! Johnson's not known for his apologies!

Sir Keir Starmer demands Boris Johnson apologise to the nation over Owen Paterson sleaze row ahead of emergency debate

Sir Keir has also called for action against disgraced MP Rob Roberts, who was readmitted to the Conservative Party despite breaking parliament's sexual misconduct policy.

Ahead of an emergency Commons debate on standards at Westminster, Sir Keir said Mr Johnson needed to act to clean up politics.

It comes as former Tory deputy PM Michael Heseltine told Sky News he cannot "disagree" with Sir John Major's assessment that recent behaviour of Mr Johnson's government could be considered "politically corrupt"

Sir Keir has also called for action against disgraced MP Rob Roberts, who was readmitted to the Conservative Party despite breaking parliament's sexual misconduct policy...

Sir Keir also demanded a "full, transparent investigation" into how Randox - one of the firms that paid Mr Paterson - came to win COVID-19 testing contracts.

He said it was "vital the public has confidence that Owen Paterson's paid advocacy did not influence these decisions".

The Liberal Democrats, who secured the emergency debate, have called for an independent statutory public inquiry into sleaze and corruption allegations.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...ebate-12463673

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Originally Posted by Paul

One thing I have never quite agreed with is any MP having a second Job.

As an elected MP, your job should be serving your constituents, full time.
If you cant do that, then you should let someone else [who can] do the job.

Totally agree.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

The best way for an MP to avoid conflicts of interests is by having no other jobs.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The best way for an MP to avoid conflicts of interests is by having no other jobs.

Currently there are calls to ban the type of secondary work that Owen Paterson was doing i.e. paid advocacy and consultancy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eaze-clampdown

MPs could be banned from having consultancy jobs like Owen Paterson’s under plans for a clampdown on sleaze being considered by the Commons standards committee.

The prospect of tightened restrictions on MPs’ second jobs is to be decided within weeks and could affect more than 30 parliamentarians earning between £180,000 and hundreds of pounds a year on top of their £82,000 salary.

30 MPs would be affected - 28 are Conservative.

However it is a difficult situation - I'm not convinced having more people become career politicians is a good thing either. Without real world experiences of situations they affect, they become detached from the impact of the votes and bills.

We already have a set of MPs going straight into politics from University so they don't know anything other that the Westminster world.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

However it is a difficult situation - I'm not convinced having more people become career politicians is a good thing either. Without real world experiences of situations they affect, they become detached from the impact of the votes and bills.

We already have a set of MPs going straight into politics from University so they don't know anything other that the Westminster world.

Banning an MP from holding other jobs doesn't prevent them from gaining real world experience before they become an MP, it just means they can't do it at the same time as they are an MP. I'm not sure how else you could draw the line.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul

One thing I have never quite agreed with is any MP having a second Job.

As an elected MP, your job should be serving your constituents, full time.
If you cant do that, then you should let someone else [who can] do the job.

This. Totally this and nothing else.

Increase the salaries to levels we see on the continent (top 5 countries) and also add a ban of taking up fat cat "positions on the board" for say, 3 years after leaving job to avoid any off grid influence.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This. Totally this and nothing else.

Increase the salaries to levels we see on the continent (top 5 countries) and also add a ban of taking up fat cat "positions on the board" for say, 3 years after leaving job to avoid any off grid influence.

Yep

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This. Totally this and nothing else.

Increase the salaries to levels we see on the continent (top 5 countries) and also add a ban of taking up fat cat "positions on the board" for say, 3 years after leaving job to avoid any off grid influence.

Agreed.