Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up

[Russ]

Originally Posted by ianch99

If you cannot see this then either you are not paying attention or you agree with the direction they are taking this country.

Nail hit on head, right in the middle of the middle.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

I am not a big fan of leftist politics and I would very much like to see the Conservatives get their house in order. I wonder whether many inside the parliamentary party will begin to think that means removing Boris before there’s another election.

And which towering talent would you replace him with? Matt Hancock? Gavin Williamson ? Even the popular Liz Truss started out as a Lib Dem and a republican - not typical Tory fodder.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And which towering talent would you replace him with? Matt Hancock? Gavin Williamson ? Even the popular Liz Truss started out as a Lib Dem and a republican - not typical Tory fodder.

One is as bad as another. All work to a puppet masters tune . Just pick which one you want! Just remember that the majority never get the government . Do not recall when any government had the support of majority of the country . Ie number of people voting for it is at least 51% of the population as a whole. Learn to work with it and stop moaning

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And which towering talent would you replace him with? Matt Hancock? Gavin Williamson ? Even the popular Liz Truss started out as a Lib Dem and a republican - not typical Tory fodder.

The top five most popular Conservative politicians per this YouGov poll are:
1. Rishi Sunak
2. Boris Johnson
3. Theresa May
4. Ruth Davidson
6. Sajid Javid
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politic...oliticians/all

This would suggest an Asian politician as PM if Johnson is deposed. Another first from the Conservative Party.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

If you cannot see this then either you are not paying attention or you agree with the direction they are taking this country.

The nail may well have been hit on the head. The tragedy is that after all the sleaze, all the corruption, all the cronyism, they’re still the preferred option versus the alternative. That’s the real shame.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Paterson out I think the current process is reasonable enough so long as Number 10 and Tory party keep their grubby paws off it.

Trial by social media. How comforting.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trial by social media. How comforting.

Paterson sentenced himself when he said he would “do it again tomorrow”.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Paterson sentenced himself when he said he would “do it again tomorrow”.

All of which points to the fact that there is no right of appeal. Are you really happy with that?

Whether or not he’s guilty as charged is a separate issue.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

All of which points to the fact that there is no right of appeal. Are you really happy with that?

Whether or not he’s guilty as charged is a separate issue.

There's no defence for the stunt the government tried to pull.
They are indeed separate issues but the Guvmin decided to bring the two together with the inevitable results in terms of public disapproval.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trial by social media. How comforting.

No, Trial by a previously agreed process that didn’t appear to have issues until now, when the Government tried to replace the previously agreed process with one that they could control.

I would recommend reading pages 35-48 of the Standards Committee Report, which focus on Paterson’s arguments relating to the process of investigation and adjudication.

https://committees.parliament.uk/pub...79907/default/

[papa smurf]

All rise for judge Skippy and the court of Kangaroo justice.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

All rise for judge Skippy and the court of Kangaroo justice.

No need to worry about bias - Rees-Mogg & Johnson have backed off from the Leadsom Amendment, which wanted to set up a Select Committee with an inbuilt Conservative majority…

That the Committee consist of nine Members;

(c) That Mr John Whittingdale be Chair of the Committee and be given a casting vote in the event of a tie;

(d) That the Committee shall consist of eight other backbench members; to be nominated by parties in the proportion of four Conservative, three Labour and one SNP;

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trial by social media. How comforting.

I’m not sure the independent standards commissioner is on Twitter.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

All of which points to the fact that there is no right of appeal. Are you really happy with that?

Whether or not he’s guilty as charged is a separate issue.

and you would not say that if it wasn't a tory that got caught you really need to take the tory rose tinted glasses off OB

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Originally Posted by Hugh

No, Trial by a previously agreed process that didn’t appear to have issues until now, when the Government tried to replace the previously agreed process with one that they could control.

I would recommend reading pages 35-48 of the Standards Committee Report, which focus on Paterson’s arguments relating to the process of investigation and adjudication.

https://committees.parliament.uk/pub...79907/default/

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not sure the independent standards commissioner is on Twitter.

As best I can tell, she isnt.