UK Timeline : Brit Awards 2010

Originally Posted by Nugget

Arthur mate, no matter how much you polish it, a turd is still a turd

You think her voice is that bad..(Because in my opinion she truly is unique) or is the sad thing that the Brit awards have become more about image than talent..

Susan Boyle has been the target of some quite nasty abuse.I cannot imagine that anyone can deny she has a fantastic singing voice so I can only assume it's because her face and body don't fit or it's easy to dismiss her because of the connection with a show that we all like to look down on..It's a sad indictment if that is the case as she really doesn't deserve to be brushed aside at all..

Originally Posted by Paul M

as opposed to a worse load of crap that happened to sell the most ....

Just cuz you do not like it does not mean its crap unless you believe your view is more important than everyone elses?

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Arthur mate, no matter how much you polish it, a turd is still a turd

same thing applies

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You think her voice is that bad..(Because in my opinion she truly is unique) or is the sad thing that the Brit awards have become more about image than talent..

Susan Boyle has been the target of some quite nasty abuse.I cannot imagine that anyone can deny she has a fantastic singing voice so I can only assume it's because her face and body don't fit or it's easy to dismiss her because of the connection with a show that we all like to look down on..It's a sad indictment if that is the case as she really doesn't deserve to be brushed aside at all..

She has got a good voice but that alone is not enough in my view. I don't think she is unique there are quite a few very good singers all doing different things. There are those at the West End, Broadway, wherever Opera is and so on. Many who probably don't do much because singing alone is often not enough.

She is very technically talented at singing but there is no creative talent or new material (i.e new creative work from other writers). That is the hard part, the part that fewer than do. Some of the greatest songs, bands, artists may not have been the best guitarists, drummers or vocalists but created great music.

That's why I think she wasn't nominated for the Brits.

I also think the image thing is rather tiresome. I never saw the big deal. Someone who isn't the greatest looking person in the world is a good singer. It's not that surprising and I think Simon Cowell and his record label made a bigger deal out of it because it helped shift her records.

Anyway the Brit nominations are always weird. JLS getting so many nominations is stupid.

Main thing for me is she is an underdog come good. I will never forget the look on the faces of everyone who judged her and how they changed when she sung.

She for me is testimony that you should not judge on appearance

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You think her voice is that bad..(Because in my opinion she truly is unique) or is the sad thing that the Brit awards have become more about image than talent..

Susan Boyle has been the target of some quite nasty abuse.I cannot imagine that anyone can deny she has a fantastic singing voice so I can only assume it's because her face and body don't fit or it's easy to dismiss her because of the connection with a show that we all like to look down on..It's a sad indictment if that is the case as she really doesn't deserve to be brushed aside at all..

Or perhaps it's because the media have spend the last few months ramming down our throats how great she is, and how wonderful it is that she did so well after such a hard life.

When, in reality she is a good singer (I have heard better, however) who had a bad life, but then entered and lost a talent contest but was noticed by the man who was responsible for Mr Blobby.

Now, having looked at a list of previous winners (I couldn't find a list of nominees), they are ALL people who are known for recording original work. I stand to be corrected, but I don't believe Susan Boyle has ever sung something that is not a cover version. As such, she may well be ineligible.

In fact, I personally think that the Brits should NOT be about sales. Otherwise, you'd just end up with a situation where those irritating novelty records the record industry likes to inflict on us from time to time won awards because they spent two weeks at no. 1..

Originally Posted by zing

Main thing for me is she is an underdog come good. I will never forget the look on the faces of everyone who judged her and how they changed when she sung.

She for me is testimony that you should not judge on appearance

It was a marketing gimmick. The reason you'll never forget the faces of those who judged her before she sung is because ITV set it up. They had already heard her sing and made a joke out of her before she sung and they did the reaction shots when she did.

Yes it's good there is an example of someone who isn't going to sell records on her appearance but they are marketing that as well. I don't think she would have sold as many records if she was better looking.

Well Damien I can tell you that among the Brit Winners not one will be plain or ordinary looking.It is all about image these days.You only have to look at how singer/songwriters like Alison Moyet and Kirsty MacColl fared because they didn't fit a certain image and could not be easily pigeon-holed.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well Damien I can tell you that among the Brit Winners not one will be plain or ordinary looking.It is all about image these days.You only have to look at how singer/songwriters like Alison Moyet and Kirsty MacColl fared because they didn't fit a certain image and could not be easily pigeon-holed.

I would argue Bat For Lashes in that Female Solo category wasn't nominated for her looks. La Roux in the British breakthrough act either. I actually think that the list is fair apart from Pixie Lott.

Actually Florance and the Machine, Bat For Lashes and La Roux all made good albums in my view. Especially La Roux. I don't think it's fair to see they were nominated for 'image'.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well Damien I can tell you that among the Brit Winners not one will be plain or ordinary looking.It is all about image these days.You only have to look at how singer/songwriters like Alison Moyet and Kirsty MacColl fared because they didn't fit a certain image and could not be easily pigeon-holed.

Alison Moyet (IIRC) did rather well. Particularly in the late 80s and early 90s. She did lose out at the end of the 90s, but so did a *lot* of artists both good looking and not. Especially when the record companies used Napster and Piracy as an excuse to clear out those artists who they didn't think were doing well.

I have to admit, I personally think both Allison Moyet and Kirsty McColl have (or had, in Kirsty's case) better voices than Susan Boyle. Better music as well.

The thing is, Susan Boyle *has* been marketed on her image. If she was being marketed on her ability to sing, why did the producers of BGT even mention her bad life? Why have the press laboured it so much?

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Alison Moyet (IIRC) did rather well. Particularly in the late 80s and early 90s. She did lose out at the end of the 90s, but so did a *lot* of artists both good looking and not. Especially when the record companies used Napster and Piracy as an excuse to clear out those artists who they didn't think were doing well.

I have to admit, I personally think both Allison Moyet and Kirsty McColl have (or had, in Kirsty's case) better voices than Susan Boyle. Better music as well.

The thing is, Susan Boyle *has* been marketed on her image. If she was being marketed on her ability to sing, why did the producers of BGT even mention her bad life? Why have the press laboured it so much?

I don't think she has been marketed on image..I think that they have kept her as much out of the limelight as possible because her face doesn't fit..

Anyway I'm sure that she will do well through the internet and doesn't really need the Brits to have success.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I don't think she has been marketed on image..I think that they have kept her as much out of the limelight as possible because her face doesn't fit..

Anyway I'm sure that she will do well through the internet and doesn't really need the Brits to have success.

Nope. She doesn't.

She is being marketed on her image though, she is being marketed as the rebuke to image as people have said the underdog who came good.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I don't think she has been marketed on image..I think that they have kept her as much out of the limelight as possible because her face doesn't fit..

I disagree. She has (IMO). ITV, Simon Cowell and the Press have spent a *lot* of time building her up as the downtrodden woman who has a good voice and a crap life.

If they hadn't intended to market her based on her image, they would not have mentioned that (the media in general and TV companies in particular are staggeringly good at hiding details like that if they want to). They would have concentrated on how well she sings, and also possibly invited some known songwriters to write for her.

[Hiroki]

Hmm didn't know that people still cared about the Brit awards.

Originally Posted by zing

Just cuz you do not like it does not mean its crap unless you believe your view is more important than everyone elses?

Yes it does, and yes.

Why ?

[Pog66]

supposedly nominations for the best album of the last 30 years and no mention of Radiohead !!!