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What about the men whose wives and daughters are over here, never to return?
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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Do you mean just like the U.K. and the USA during WW1, WW2, and the Korean War?
Conscription is normal practice when an existential threat is happening to your country…
I lose track are we back at all powerful Russia that could march on Berlin within weeks or Russia on the brink of defeat if only Europe would donate more American weapons?
Here I thought the notion of young men being sent to the slaughter in the name of competing global ideologies died out after Vietnam but I guess as long as it’s not American blood dying for their interests that’s fine.
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It’ll never end. Ukraine ends up a hollow shell of a state acting as a de-facto NATO outpost. It’s women and children in Europe and it’s men in graves.
America will hyper-privatise everything to US multinationals to pay off the ever increasing amounts of debt it is accumulating.
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Kyiv is willing to discuss the future of Crimea with Moscow if its forces reach the border of the Russian-occupied peninsula, a top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has told the Financial Times.
The comments by Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of Zelenskyy’s office, are the most explicit statement of Ukraine’s interest in negotiations since it cut off peace talks with the Kremlin last April.
“If we will succeed in achieving our strategic goals on the battlefield and when we will be on the administrative border with Crimea, we are ready to open [a] diplomatic page to discuss this issue,” Sybiha said, referring to Kyiv’s long-planned counteroffensive.
He added: “It doesn’t mean that we exclude the way of liberation [of Crimea] by our army.”
Sybiha’s remarks may relieve western officials who are sceptical about Ukraine’s ability to reclaim the peninsula and worry that any attempt to do so militarily could lead President Vladimir Putin to escalate his war, possibly with nuclear weapons.
To date Zelenskyy has ruled out peace talks until Russian forces leave all of Ukraine, including Crimea.
Sybiha is a veteran diplomat who focuses on foreign policy in the president’s office and has been at Zelenskyy’s side at key moments in the war.
America will never let them negotiate a peace settlement until it’s strategic objectives are met.
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J.F. is trapped in a great powers mindset, pretty much like Russia itself. Minor states have no agency, they are only allowed to be pawns on someone else’s chessboard. The idea that the strategic interests of sovereign democracies might coincide and align just doesn’t compute.
In reality, the pattern of military training and equipping undertaken by Western nations between the 2014 and 2022 invasions shows pretty clearly that the USA/NATO/Collective West had no intentions of trying to destroy the Russian army if/when it tried to overrun Ukraine. The AFU was trained and equipped to fight an insurgency against a presumed Russian puppet regime. To the extent that Great Power Politics were at play, they were aimed at keeping Russia off balance, and no more.
Western nations have only moved to supply and train Ukraine with heavy weapons as it has become clear that Ukraine has the will and the capacity to fight. Notably, they are still not supplying Ukraine with systems that might *actually* destroy the Russian military (ATACMS long range artillery rockets, F-16 fighters, anything that can reach a significant distance into Russia itself and start taking out airfields and other strategic assets). Aid is confined to that necessary to push Russia back to the Feb 2022 ceasefire lines, while admitting the possibility that Ukraine may wish to go further, into the eastern Donbas and Crimea.
There is a happy strategic realignment in that Ukraine wishes to continue to exist and America would like to see Russia dissuaded from creating mischief in the west, leaving America free to think about China. However, if Putin were to order his forces out of Ukraine, the war would end there and then. It is Putin who is sending Russian people and equipment to destruction, not Joe Biden.
Except of course nobody asks the Ukrainians if they want to fight for every inch of territory as conscript toy soldiers for Zelensky’s paymasters in Langley.
There’s no opposition parties, trade unions or media interests out there. Only patriotic rhetoric.
Your post, inadvertently, proves my point. America could suitably equip Ukraine but doesn’t. A decisive, swift victory doesn’t suit America. A long, drawn out war paid for in Ukrainian blood and debt does. Hence it equips Ukraine just enough to prolong the status quo on the battlefield. NATO creeps eastwards, Russia remains bogged down in international sanctions, Ukraine remains a puppet regime.
America will never let them negotiate a peace settlement until it’s strategic objectives are met.
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Except of course nobody asks the Ukrainians if they want to fight for every inch of territory as conscript toy soldiers for Zelensky’s paymasters in Langley.
There’s no opposition parties, trade unions or media interests out there. Only patriotic rhetoric.
Your post, inadvertently, proves my point. America could suitably equip Ukraine but doesn’t. A decisive, swift victory doesn’t suit America. A long, drawn out war paid for in Ukrainian blood and debt does. Hence it equips Ukraine just enough to prolong the status quo on the battlefield. NATO creeps eastwards, Russia remains bogged down in international sanctions, Ukraine remains a puppet regime.
I know a few Ukrainians who will tell you you are wrong.
Reports in the media that russia has canceled the "tank biathlon" competition in 2023 are false. The russian national team continues to triumph, most notably at tournaments in Vuhledar and Avdiivka, near Kreminna. However, currently playing the role of targets.
The head of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group has announced that his forces will retreat from Bakhmut, a key battleground in eastern Ukraine, and released an obscenity-strewn video tirade against President Putin’s generals, bringing infighting in the military to a new crisis point.
Surrounded by corpses, Yevgeny Prigozhin called Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister, and Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the general staff, “scumbags” and promised that they would “burn in Hell, eating their guts” for failing to provide Wagner with enough ammunition.
In the extraordinary video published online by his press service, Prigozhin shows the camera dozens of dead soldiers lying on their backs in rows in a field.
“These are lads from the private military group Wagner who died today,” he said, pointing at the corpses.
“Their blood is still fresh. And now, listen to me, bitch. These are someone’s fathers and someone’s sons. And those [expletive] who don’t give us ammunition will burn in Hell, eating their guts, [expletive]. We have a 70 per cent shortage of ammunition. Shoigu, Gerasimov, where is the ammunition? Look at them, bitch! [pointing at corpses].”
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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He has stated this will be on March 10th.
Positioning himself as more of a patriot than the Russian leadership. 9 May is their ‘victory day’ parade celebrating the end of WW2. He couldn’t frame his actions as principled if he carried them out on, or before, that date.
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