Britain outside the EU

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Trust me we have had labour running this country since May 2007 and they couldn't organise a piss up in an urinal . Waste money on vanity projects, ie a field for green man, an airport that is hardly used, never mind 20 mph speed limit

You may well have issues with the way you're run locally by Labour but looking at at the national issues and my own experience of life under the Tories I'd say it's a bit rich to criticise the party out of government for 14 years when the current lot couldn't organise a burger at Mcdonalds and would probably pay their mates millions to open their own burger chain and rustle one up instead.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

World politics and economics are full of surprises. The idea Brexit (or any kind of policy) will ever get some kind of clean run without a war, or a recession, is fanciful.

In reality it has to work within these parameters and there’s no evidence that it does. If anything, it hinders rather than assists economic recovery by killing it in red tape and trade barriers.

That’s not to say it can’t work - but if the politicians are utterly devoid of ideas to make it work in the short term what makes you think they have any meaningful insight for the medium and long term?

We’ve got a virtual Berlin Wall to keep us in and nothing to keep migrants out.

Nice one, you are that big of an idiot!
So Russia invading Ukraine(a war) is the result of Brexit. Please explain.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Nice one, you are that big of an idiot!
So Russia invading Ukraine(a war) is the result of Brexit. Please explain.

You misread something and he's the idiot, nice

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Nice one, you are that big of an idiot!
So Russia invading Ukraine(a war) is the result of Brexit. Please explain.

Nice one, you are an idiot who can’t read.

At no point did I say Russia invading Ukraine was a result of Brexit. I merely pointed out that political and economic crises are a reality of Government.

Off the top of my head since the Falklands you’d have the Gulf War, Bosnia, NATO air strikes on Serbia, September 11th, Afghanistan, Iraq 2 and the 2008 financial crisis and a decade of austerity.

The idea of a 7 or 10 year period “breathing space” without one crisis or another is an absolute fantasy. It’s the role of Government to manage these things.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You misread something and he's the idiot, nice

In fairness, ignoring reality is a pip staple.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

10 years to realise the benefits of Brexit is a bit late for my 18 year kid who wanted to get a summer job in Spain

Oh well, case closed. Brexit is a disaster then.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh well, case closed. Brexit is a disaster then.

No, it was just a good example of the dizzying array of Brexit benefits. It would only be case closed if it affected you in some meaningful way.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh well, case closed. Brexit is a disaster then.

If you were to say that the removal of opportunities to improve your language skills, broaden your horizons and improve your employability after leaving university is a disaster, then yes, you are right.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

If you were to say that the removal of opportunities to improve your language skills, broaden your horizons and improve your employability after leaving university is a disaster, then yes, you are right.

The story that you told about your daughter being unable to do the entirely reasonable thing of taking a young person's working holiday in Spain, touched me.

I also noted your acid remark, justifiable imo, that your daughter should stay in the UK and enjoy her sovereignty.

I can't say much more than that in response.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh well, case closed. Brexit is a disaster then.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your own eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

1984, George Orwell

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The story that you told about your daughter being unable to do the entirely reasonable thing of taking a young person's working holiday in Spain, touched me.

I also noted your acid remark, justifiable imo, that your daughter should stay in the UK and enjoy her sovereignty.

I can't say much more than that in response.

Maybe tell John Redwood that you did not vote for the country to become insular like this and ask him what plans he has to restore opportunities like this one for future generations.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

1984, George Orwell

A quote I'm very familiar with, not applicable to what I said though.

[1andrew1]

Unlike the EU and the US, UK GDP per head has fallen since 2019. I wonder why?

Lest anyone tries to clutch at the Covid and Ukraine straws. The US and EU were impacted by those as well.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

10 years to realise the benefits of Brexit is a bit late for my 18 year kid who wanted to get a summer job in Spain to reinforce her Spanish A-level she will have finished by then. It seems virtually impossible to get hotel animation jobs without an EU passport unfortunately.

It’s a shame as she was really enthusiastic about doing this before university and it would have been a great experience but there you go. She can enjoy some sovereignty instead

My son is an Opera singer and now has a so much more difficult task to forge a career in Europe. His generation's birth right was literally taken away from them by an older, selfish generation.

Tradition has it that the parents/grand parents in society did all they could to enable the success and prosperity of their children/grandchildren. What we had was the exact opposite of this. The Boomer and some Gen X decided that they know best and the wishes & aspirations of those that would follow them would count for nothing. A perverse & selfish decision if you will.

As these older generations die off, they bequeath a poisoned unwanted legacy. Made all the more perverse in that these very people will expected to be looked after in their dotage by those they spited.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

My son is an Opera singer and now has a so much more difficult task to forge a career in Europe. His generation's birth right was literally taken away from them by an older, selfish generation.

Tradition has it that the parents/grand parents in society did all they could to enable the success and prosperity of their children/grandchildren. What we had was the exact opposite of this. The Boomer and some Gen X decided that they know best and the wishes & aspirations of those that would follow them would count for nothing. A perverse & selfish decision if you will.

As these older generations die off, they bequeath a poisoned unwanted legacy. Made all the more perverse in that these very people will expected to be looked after in their dotage by those they spited.

Your remarks are spiteful, rather than the existence of the older folk whom you clearly despise. Also, please don't forget that the older folk have paid their way in taxes and NI and entitled to what's left of the care system.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your remarks are spiteful, rather than the existence of the older folk whom you clearly despise. Also, please don't forget that the older folk have paid their way in taxes and NI and entitled to what's left of the care system.

That'll be the old people paying in while we ran a deficit at the same time as plundering state assets in privatisation?

Nobody is entitled to anything on the basis of money that wasn't paid in. It's a complete lie on the part of the older generations to pretend otherwise.

2.5 trillion pounds of debt. Someone wasn't paying.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your remarks are spiteful.

They certainly seem to be.
BB + GenX is basically anyone over 44.