Coronavirus - Page 64

1andrew1 · 21-12-2021, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Hogmanay events cancelled as Covid rules tightened

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-59745262

London's NYE plans were cancelled yesterday, New York will decide this week if it holds its famous celebration this year or not.

**Paul** · 21-12-2021, 16:01

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Also, the CDC withdraws support of the PCR test for Covid detection.

Umm, ok.
So how do they plan to test for covid then ?

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Aha, nevermind, your statement was rather misleading.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Or, to probably word it better, the CDC has asked for its' own RT-PCR test to no longer have an FDA Emergency Use Authorisation as there are plenty of commercial tests now on the market. The CDC isn't in the business of making diagnostic tests if commercial tests are available

Pierre · 21-12-2021, 16:39

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Originally Posted by jfman

Not sure why it’d ruin my lunch. It says what I’ve said all along that variants chip away at efficacy against infection, and it’s been demonstrated the world over that efficacy wanes over time. So now we need three doses of Pfizer to get to where we used to get with two.

Presumably Delta is still the variant causing most cases in the US.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/1...s-biontech-ceo

As long as vaccinated people can catch and transmit the virus that has implications in terms of pandemic management and exceeding hospital capacity.

The vaccines still prevent serious illness. If you're infected it'll probably be no worse than a cold or a usual winter chest infection that most people bat off with Lemsip max strength and a bottle of covonia - just carry on with your life.

Otherwise, there would be no point whatsoever in getting vaccinated if you're going to hide away in isolation because you're scared of catching COVID, even though you're vaccinated.

Likewise, if we're going to shut everything down at the first hint of a different variant, as a precaution, especially now in a highly vaccinated population. The disease is still a mild disease, with a vaccine (even with a % of vaccine escape) it's even milder (plus the 3rd dose goes someway to mitigating that escape) or won't even affect you.

There's no need to be cancelling anything, it's over reaction by all respective governments so they can be seen to be something to avoid criticism from a rabid media.

**Paul** · 21-12-2021, 16:59

After the rise last week, cases currently seem to be going down again.
The same with hospitalisations, and deaths are still going down (never actually went up).

This is from the Govt website (so mostly data up to Thursday/Friday last week).

I'm starting to wonder what figures they are basing their current panic on.

Pierre · 21-12-2021, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Paul

After the rise last week, cases currently seem to be going down again.
The same with hospitalisations, and deaths are still going down (never actually went up).

This is from the Govt website (so mostly data up to Thursday/Friday last week).

I'm starting to wonder what figures they are basing their current panic on.

They base it on worst case scenario modelling from the likes of Neil Ferguson, that has been consistently incorrect at every turn.

I’d rather employ JFmans to do predictions, at least he has got at least one correct!

nomadking · 21-12-2021, 17:12

The predictions are based upon doing nothing. Once you start doing something, the predictions no longer apply. The aim of the predictions is for them not to come true.

jfman · 21-12-2021, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Pierre

The vaccines still prevent serious illness. If you're infected it'll probably be no worse than a cold or a usual winter chest infection that most people bat off with Lemsip max strength and a bottle of covonia - just carry on with your life.

Otherwise, there would be no point whatsoever in getting vaccinated if you're going to hide away in isolation because you're scared of catching COVID, even though you're vaccinated.

Likewise, if we're going to shut everything down at the first hint of a different variant, as a precaution, especially now in a highly vaccinated population. The disease is still a mild disease, with a vaccine (even with a % of vaccine escape) it's even milder (plus the 3rd dose goes someway to mitigating that escape) or won't even affect you.

There's no need to be cancelling anything, it's over reaction by all respective governments so they can be seen to be something to avoid criticism from a rabid media.

I’m not disputing whether vaccines largely prevent serious illness or otherwise. Only pointing out that a tiny fraction of a large number of infections could easily cripple the health service - and a large number of absences in other essential services and supply chains can also have wider economic impacts.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

They base it on worst case scenario modelling from the likes of Neil Ferguson, that has been consistently incorrect at every turn.

I’d rather employ JFmans to do predictions, at least he has got at least one correct!

Let’s see when Boris bottles it on Monday if I can get that up to two.

**Paul** · 21-12-2021, 18:00

Well I went to the pub for my dinner today (as I always do on Tuesdays).
It was quite busy (more than usual), looked like a few office people out celebrating.

**Paul** · 22-12-2021, 00:14

I'm glad I dont live in the new police state of Wales.

Not content with banning people from everywhere they can, they are now forcing people to WFH, with fines.

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From Monday, workers will receive a £60 fixed penalty notice and companies hit with fines of £1,000 every time they break the rule.

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Further to our long-standing advice for people to work from home wherever possible, from Monday this will now be a legal requirement to work from home unless there is a reasonable excuse not to

Of course, no definition of "a reasonable excuse" yet.

Seems they are pretty much a dictatorship, they can just do as they please with no control.

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The Welsh Conservatives economy spokesman, Paul Davies MS, said the new rules had been brought in under the radar.

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This Labour administration seems to be getting rather comfortable governing by late night press releases and tinkering with the rules without letting the public know until they've already come into force.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741680

Pierre · 22-12-2021, 08:10

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Originally Posted by Paul

I'm glad I dont live in the new police state of Wales.

Not content with banning people from everywhere they can, they are now forcing people to WFH, with fines.

Of course, no definition of "a reasonable excuse" yet.

Seems they are pretty much a dictatorship, they can just do as they please with no control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741680

It's political grandstanding. I haven't read the legislation but I guarantee you'll be able to drive a bus through the "Reasonable Excuse" clause.

**Maggy** · 22-12-2021, 09:25

Do as I say ,not what I do wears pretty thin coming from government.

papa smurf · 22-12-2021, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Maggy

Do as I say ,not what I do wears pretty thin coming from government.

it does in wales https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWBKg5sfp50

1andrew1 · 22-12-2021, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Maggy

Do as I say ,not what I do wears pretty thin coming from government.

Hopefully, the British public will continue to do the right thing despite the recent "meetings" we've seen leaked to the press.

In positive news, Oxford and AstraZeneca are developing a vaccine to target Omicron.

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Dec 21 (Reuters) - AstraZeneca Plc (AZN.L) said on Tuesday it is working with Oxford University to produce a vaccine for the Omicron coronavirus variant, joining other vaccine-makers who are looking to develop the variant-specific vaccine.

"Together with Oxford University, we have taken preliminary steps in producing an Omicron variant vaccine, in case it is needed and will be informed by emerging data," a spokesperson for the company said in a statement.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ft-2021-12-21/

pip08456 · 22-12-2021, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Paul

Umm, ok.
So how do they plan to test for covid then ?

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Aha, nevermind, your statement was rather misleading.

It wasn't my statement but the article which did no say that it was only the CDC's own test.

1andrew1 · 22-12-2021, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Paul

I'm glad I dont live in the new police state of Wales.

Not content with banning people from everywhere they can, they are now forcing people to WFH, with fines.

Of course, no definition of "a reasonable excuse" yet.

Seems they are pretty much a dictatorship, they can just do as they please with no control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741680

Just go to the pub and work from there.