Coronavirus - Page 58

1andrew1 · 18-12-2021, 20:37

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It’s a mild flu like condition to some, ok, let me ask another way, if it’s just a mild flu, then why did governments globally lockdown, they can’t all be wrong, so what is the ulterior motive ?

It would be an amazing coincidence to see it linked to something else, but you’re right it’s entirely plausible

Africas population & demographics are completely different to the U.K. they can’t speak on our behalf.

This could be a storm in a teacup. You could be right, I hope you are. As if you’re wrong & if the scientists are right we are going to be in a world of hurt.

Time will tell.

Been a pleasure discussing 👍

Yeah, there's a bit of a dispute as to whether it is milder. I had read the encouraging info from SA but the recent Imperial College report seems to disagree.

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The study finds no evidence of Omicron having lower severity than Delta, judged by either the proportion of people testing positive who report symptoms, or by the proportion of cases seeking hospital care after infection. However, hospitalisation data remains very limited at this time.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2326...icron-england/

**Chris** · 18-12-2021, 20:38

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It’s a mild flu like condition to some, ok, let me ask another way, if it’s just a mild flu, then why did governments globally lockdown, they can’t all be wrong, so what is the ulterior motive ?

Because if it isn’t, by the time the data confirms it it will be too late to start taking mitigating action. The restrictions have to be in place quickly, based on what we definitely know about covid already, and if possible can then be removed quickly once we know more about omicron.

jfman · 18-12-2021, 20:48

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yeah, there's a bit of a dispute as to whether it is milder. I had read the encouraging info from SA but the recent Imperial College report seems to disagree.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2326...icron-england/

No two populations have the same underlying reasons for what immunity they have. Previous infections of different variants, vaccines, etc. These will all skew at a population level in a way that makes it more challenging to say that either variant against the same individual will have a different outcome.

Regardless, the most optimistic outlooks indicate 30% milder. Which is massively outweighed at a population level by an R number anywhere between 3 and 6.

mrmistoffelees · 18-12-2021, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Chris

Because if it isn’t, by the time the data confirms it it will be too late to start taking mitigating action. The restrictions have to be in place quickly, based on what we definitely know about covid already, and if possible can then be removed quickly once we know more about omicron.

I know…..

**Mick** · 18-12-2021, 21:07

BREAKING: The Brother of Jeremy Corbyn, Piers Corbyn, facing calls to be arrested for inciting violence against MPs for Covid restrictions.

Video has emerged on Twitter of him saying:

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"We've got to get a bit more physical."

"We've got to hammer to death those ****, those **** who have decided to go ahead with introducing new fascism."

"If your MP is one of them, go to their offices, and, well, I'd recommend burning them down."

jfman · 18-12-2021, 21:11

Vive le revolution.

A bit crass after that MP got stabbed.

**Chris** · 18-12-2021, 21:12

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I know…..

The number of rhetorical questions and facetious observations in this thread is getting difficult to follow

**Mick** · 18-12-2021, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: The Brother of Jeremy Corbyn, Piers Corbyn, facing calls to be arrested for inciting violence against MPs for Covid restrictions.

Video has emerged on Twitter of him saying:

LATEST: Home Secretary Priti Patel wades in with a tweet just now:

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The Piers Corbyn video is sickening.

I back the police to take the strongest possible action against him.

mrmistoffelees · 18-12-2021, 21:32

Has she pipped up about the Apple store getting smashed up today in London by covid protestors? Genuine question…

Or, maybes they were all just trying to gatecrash a party ?

nffc · 18-12-2021, 21:41

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Has she pipped up about the Apple store getting smashed up today in London by covid protestors? Genuine question…

Or, maybes they were all just trying to gatecrash a party ?

No-one can identify them because they were all wearing masks...

**Maggy** · 18-12-2021, 21:50

I still want to hear what the death toll is from the Omicron variant as opposed to the the Delta variant. Unfortunately the media only keeps referring to Covid overall rather than specific variants.

**Mick** · 18-12-2021, 21:51

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Has she pipped up about the Apple store getting smashed up today in London by covid protestors? Genuine question…

Or, maybes they were all just trying to gatecrash a party ?

I think a store being vandalised by Covid Restriction protestors and the brother of the former Labour Leader calling for MPs to be slain, shouldn’t even be compared.

nffc · 18-12-2021, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Maggy

I still want to hear what the death toll is from the Omicron variant as opposed to the the Delta variant. Unfortunately the media only keeps referring to Covid overall rather than specific variants.

7 according to the UKHSA
https://assets.publishing.service.go...n-Overview.pdf

Worth a follow on twitter if you're on there - https://twitter.com/UKHSA

**Mick** · 18-12-2021, 21:57

Absolutely staggering…… conversation between Spectators Fraser Nelson and a Professor working for SAGE:

nffc · 18-12-2021, 22:01

I've seen that same thread, Mick.

Tail is wagging the dog. If they're being told what to model, then it's no surprise the modelling is reflecting the worst case outcomes.