Russia has invaded Ukraine
15-11-2022, 23:01
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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They’ll invoke article 4, and do nothing.
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Do not adjust your sets. You may have called this one right!
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Poland 'set to trigger NATO's Article 4'
NATO ambassadors will meet tomorrow at the request of Poland on basis of the alliance's Article 4, two European diplomats have told Reuters news agency.
According to Article 4 of the alliance's founding treaty, members can raise any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country.
One of the diplomats said NATO would act cautiously and needed time to verify how exactly the incident happened.
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https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...itics-12541713
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15-11-2022, 23:19
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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First time for everything.
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15-11-2022, 23:35
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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What's RT? clearly the answer is no
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Russia Today. A Russian state-sponsored TV news network which until recently was an important plank of Russian foreign policy, through which they shaped European populations’ attitudes towards Russia, and attitudes towards their own countries in ways judged to be in Russia’s interests. Bizarrely tolerated by broadcasting regulators in multiple countries until the outbreak of war in February when it was forcibly shut down.
Ultimately run by the delightful Margarita Simonyan, who regularly pops up on Russian TV to demand the state commit more war crimes in Ukraine.
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15-11-2022, 23:41
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Russia Today. A Russian state-sponsored TV news network which until recently was an important plank of Russian foreign policy, through which they shaped European populations’ attitudes towards Russia, and attitudes towards their own countries in ways judged to be in Russia’s interests. Bizarrely tolerated by broadcasting regulators in multiple countries until the outbreak of war in February when it was forcibly shut down.
Ultimately run by the delightful Margarita Simonyan, who regularly pops up on Russian TV to demand the state commit more war crimes in Ukraine.
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Arrr cheers
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16-11-2022, 00:22
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Farage gone full nutcase being a Putin apologist no surprise it was on fox news what a joke the far right are
https://twitter.com/localnotail/stat...53921680474119
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16-11-2022, 00:37
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
The same people who were adamant the Russians didn’t shoot down MH17.
Remember when Russia shot down a plane over Ukraine killing 298 people including 80 children - and then tried to blame everyone and everything apart from Russia….
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16-11-2022, 01:33
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
BREAKING: BALI, Nov 16 (Reuters) - Global leaders gathered for the G20 meeting in Bali, Indonesia, were holding an emergency meeting on Wednesday after deadly explosions in Poland that Ukraine and Polish authorities said were caused by Russian-made missiles.
The meeting was convened by U.S. President Joe Biden, the White House said, after two people were killed in an explosion in Przewodow, a village in eastern Poland near the border with Ukraine. - Reuters News Agency.
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16-11-2022, 02:39
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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We're now hearing from US President Joe Biden, who says it is "unlikely" that the missile responsible for killing two people in Poland was fired from Russia.
He says there is "preliminary information that contests" whether the incident in Poland was due to a missile fired from Russia.
"I don't want to say that until we completely investigate, but it's unlikely in the minds of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we'll see."
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16-11-2022, 05:38
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Lends more theory to an intercepted missile
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16-11-2022, 09:58
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Of course, even if the fragments are from a Ukrainian air defence missile, it’s important not to forget it wouldn’t even have been in the air had Russia not been in the process of committing war crimes in the country (I.e. deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure).
If the US has been looking for a pretext to upgrade Ukraine’s precision missile arsenal with longer-range rockets that can start taking out Russian launchers from further afield, then this is it.
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16-11-2022, 10:14
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Lends more theory to an intercepted missile
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I’m unsure how Ukraine targets a missile that “wasn’t fired from Russia” over Poland.
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16-11-2022, 10:19
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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I’m unsure how Ukraine targets a missile that “wasn’t fired from Russia” over Poland.
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Much depends on the altitude of the intercept and the direction of the missile(s). It’s all ballistics - these are facts that can and will be determined soon enough. An impact at high altitude can spread debris for many miles.
Russians have targeted Lviv using air-launched rockets in the past, so range of ground-launch stations to the impact site are a red herring for those conspiracy-minded people apt to assume this was some sort of false flag op.
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16-11-2022, 10:26
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Much depends on the altitude of the intercept and the direction of the missile(s). It’s all ballistics - these are facts that can and will be determined soon enough. An impact at high altitude can spread debris for many miles.
Russians have targeted Lviv using air-launched rockets in the past, so range of ground-launch stations to the impact site are a red herring for those conspiracy-minded people apt to assume this was some sort of false flag op.
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However that’s clearly not what he says. A Russian missile shot in any direction by an interceptor is clearly still a Russian missile. Nobody disputes that.
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16-11-2022, 10:29
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Breaking Initial findings suggest the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, according to US officials
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16-11-2022, 10:32
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Breaking Initial findings suggest the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile, according to US officials
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As was indicated by the selective language used.
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