Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It would be good if her fellow MPs would let her get on with it instead of plotting against her.

I remember you saying the same thing regarding Theresa May.

Oh, wait…

Originally Posted by denphone

The clear fact is no one voted for her policies thus she has no electoral mandate.

If she wants a mandate she is best to call a general election where the British people can decide.

This is complete nonsense Den.

We do not elect a president and a party manifesto is not legally enforceable - it is a set of aspirations. We have an opportunity to judge a government’s fidelity to its manifesto at the next general election.

In the intervening years, you have elected a local MP who owes you both industry and judgment - that is, they don’t just work hard, they work intelligently based on circumstances as they unfold. If you believe the party of government has reneged on its promises then the general election is your opportunity to have your say. The date of that election is in 2024, or sooner *if* the government chooses.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I take it that the silence in this thread on Truss' conference speech is due to dumbfoundedness.

Her speech was a repetitive use of the word "growth" and was otherwise content free - no detail on the how. Except possibly on illegal immigration where she committed Braverman to legislate so that no European Court could override a British court. GET ON WITH IT.

I didn’t listen. She’s toast anyway.

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Originally Posted by Chris

This is complete nonsense Den.

We do not elect a president and a party manifesto is not legally enforceable - it is a set of aspirations. We have an opportunity to judge a government’s fidelity to its manifesto at the next general election.

In the intervening years, you have elected a local MP who owes you both industry and judgment - that is, they don’t just work hard, they work intelligently based on circumstances as they unfold. If you believe the party of government has reneged on its promises then the general election is your opportunity to have your say. The date of that election is in 2024, or sooner *if* the government chooses.

We may well not elect a President, and indeed the manifesto isn’t legally enforceable, however it makes it a rudderless Government. The vast majority of MPs wanted someone else, and none stood on her “policy platform”.

Originally Posted by jfman

I didn’t listen. She’s toast anyway.

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We may well not elect a President, and indeed the manifesto isn’t legally enforceable, however it makes it a rudderless Government. The vast majority of MPs wanted someone else, and none stood on her “policy platform”.

All of which is true, but holding an election every 2 years is destabilising in its own way. There may of course be circumstance where it’s highly desirable - I’d argue the parliamentary impasse over Brexit was just such an occasion, but that was because it was parliament itself that was stuck, and not the government that enjoys parliament’s confidence (which this one does, despite Tory backbench muttering).

Mostly, I think the canard that a new prime minister has no mandate and requires an election must be challenged whenever its offered. It is constitutionally incorrect, and it does us no good when people start parroting the line it every time it occurs.

[jfman]

It might be “constitutionally incorrect” but that’s not mutually exclusive with the fact her policy platform lacks a mandate.

The system may well allow the Conservative party to limp on to a pre-determined period, and so be it if it does. The electorate will not forgive them when the time comes for imposing this coalition of chaos on the people because they deposed the last post holder.

If she believes that much in the 46p tax rate and the growth plan she should call an election. Otherwise she can say one thing knowing the MPs behind her won’t back it. Less credibility than Old Boy.

[richard-john56]

Congratulations to the two Green Peace Ladies for showing what Truss and Co are against.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Congratulations to the two Green Peace Ladies for showing what Truss and Co are against.

Oh dear.

Shall we be unable to heat our homes this winter or in the future?

Shall we be unable to create electricity to feed the (stupid) electric cars that cannot find chargers?

Please glue yourself to something.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It would be good if her fellow MPs would let her get on with it instead of plotting against her.

trouble is she got a strategy and policies that proven not to work OB trickle down economics do not work you are always overlooking the BOE had to step in to save pensions that cost 65 billion what happens after the 14th October when that help ends

remember why she had to u turn OB it was because of tory MP's revolting and she would not get it through parliament and it will not be the last revolt

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Congratulations to the two Green Peace Ladies for showing what Truss and Co are against.

****ing lunatics.

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Congratulations to the two Green Peace Ladies for showing what Truss and Co are against.

Originally Posted by Mad Max

****ing lunatics.

That’s a bit harsh.

I think they are perhaps overly ideological blinkered and not willing to listen to others views, denigrating those who disagree with, but I wouldn’t call Truss and Co lunatics…

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s a bit harsh.

I think they are perhaps overly ideological blinkered and not willing to listen to others views, denigrating those who disagree with, but I wouldn’t call Truss and Co lunatics…

Yeah, very good, Hugh

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s a bit harsh.

I think they are perhaps overly ideological blinkered and not willing to listen to others views, denigrating those who disagree with, but I wouldn’t call Truss and Co lunatics…

One of your better inputs.

[jfman]

He’d get promoted to Cabinet for that kind of insight.

[GrimUpNorth]

She didn't make clear was the growth going to fund the new infrastructure she promised or is the new infrastructure going to attract the the growth she promised. I can see neither happening.

Ah, but if it doesn’t happen, it will be because of the "anti-growth coalition" and the "enemies of enterprise"…