Missing Titanic Sub

[peanut]

It's not looking good for the 5 people on board the missing sub. This was a tragic accident waiting to happen. This has been stated by many that has done the expedition and from those that have cancelled due to safety concerns of the actual sub.

I'm not sure what to think about it all. The less I think about it the better for what they must be going through or gone through. But they all sign waivers / disclaimers that mention death 3 times on the first page. They knew what they were getting themselves in for. As for a father letting his son to accept this risk I find it a bit hard to take.

I'm sure there will be an investigation into the owners / company (OceanGate) but if they knew what they were signing up for then I'm not sure how it'll go.

[Jaymoss]

This is what the waiver is for. It is obviously dangerous by its very nature and things can go wrong with pretty much everything. This would never happen to me the same as I would never die from mountain climbing or bungie jumping or parachuting out of a plane.

Horrid way to go though

Waivers don’t stop people being sued or prosecuted for negligence or things not being "fit for purpose".

[joglynne]

I find it almost impossible to believe what is going on.

Even though most of the people on board made a choice to go, their friends and relatives didn't but they still have to deal with imagining the fear and desperation of the people they love trapped in what may end up being their coffin. I don't think I could deal with what is happening if it were my husband or son.

Titanic sub search: Hunt for missing vessel turns critical with oxygen supply due to run out just after midday

https://news.sky.com/story/titanic-s...idday-12907371

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Waivers don’t stop people being sued or prosecuted for negligence or things not being "fit for purpose".

I have not really kept up. I guess there is reason to believe the vessel was not fit?

[jfman]

It’s launched from international waters to avoid US regulations for a start.

[Pierre]

I'm afraid they'll only be recovering bodies. I'd be interested to know what contingencies where in place to cover this situation.

They say they lost communications after two hours, I believe it takes longer than that to reach the site, which would suggest a failure with the sub as opposed to the sub being snagged on wreckage.

I would have thought such a sub/ operation would have:

1. Redundant power systems should one fail.
2. An independent battery powered transponder.
3. An umbilical to the surface vessel.
4. A duplicate sub on the surface vessel capable of retrieving the sister sub.

and I'm sure there are other mitigations that could have been in place. I know it's a risk doing this kind of thing but you have to cover off as many what ifs as possible, and a power failure must be the No.1 on the what if list.

[joglynne]

The task was huge: Finding a craft the size of a minivan in an area twice the size of the state of Connecticut and up to 2½ miles deep.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...g-submersible/

It's the depth that the submersible reaches just to see something through a window rather than on a TV screen that makes the whole trip seem a stupid to me.

[jfman]

I can only assume everyone on the search is seeing the dollar signs as a reward for finding it.

Originally Posted by jfman

I can only assume everyone on the search is seeing the dollar signs as a reward for finding it.

I can only assume you forgot to take your anti-"world-beating cynic" medication today…

From the Washington Post

An operation of this magnitude could run into the millions of dollars between costs for fuel, personnel and maintenance. But the company involved will not be responsible for reimbursing the government, Zukunft said.
“It’s no different,” he said, “than if a private citizen goes out and his boat sinks. We go out and recover him. We don’t stick them with the bill after the fact.”

https://wapo.st/46ha4Lm

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I can only assume you forgot to take your anti-"world-beating cynic" medication today…

From the Washington Post

https://wapo.st/46ha4Lm

I’m sure billionaires facing certain death would be eternally grateful upon their return. Invoice or no invoice.

Don’t see many folk fishing for survivors in the Med.

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s launched from international waters to avoid US regulations for a start.

It’s launched from international waters because that’s where the Titanic is, though I don’t doubt lack of regulation at that location is also highly convenient to their business model.

[Halcyon]

I think the thrill for adventure must have overtook any doubts over safety concerns.


Something of this magnitude (when you consider how far deep the Titanic is located) should have had much higher safety systems in place. Whether it was the excitement of exploration or the proffit making potential of this business, there should have been much more safety systems and legislation / certifications of equipment in place to ensure these subs could cope.


Even if all comms failed you'd think there would be some sort of manual deployment of an air baloon or something that could rise to the suface and catch peoples attention.


If a plane goes down in the ocean they all have an Underwater location Becacon. These should work in ideal conditions upto 5km underwater and upto 1.5km in worst case situaitons.
Why didnt they have that?!

[Dave42]

'Debris field' discovered within search area near Titanic, US Coast Guard says

https://news.sky.com/story/debris-fi...-says-12906735

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

'Debris field' discovered within search area near Titanic, US Coast Guard says

https://news.sky.com/story/debris-fi...-says-12906735

Well, it won’t be much of a field, things don’t tend to explode at that depth.