Russia has invaded Ukraine
19-02-2022, 20:23
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Putin's got everyone dancing to his tune, especially Biden. You gotta admire Putin.
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You ain't wrong mate, the puppet known as Biden isn't playing a blinder.
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19-02-2022, 20:57
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Putin's got everyone dancing to his tune, especially Biden. You gotta admire Putin.
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Well he certainly got what he wanted for the UK, a divided weakened nation, with a muppet leader. So yes, respect to him there.
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19-02-2022, 21:08
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
Are you just out for the weekend Mr. K? 
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19-02-2022, 21:16
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Putin's got everyone dancing to his tune, especially Biden. You gotta admire Putin.
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Well he certainly got what he wanted for the UK, a divided weakened nation, with a muppet leader. So yes, respect to him there.
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What would you do differently to Biden and Johnson?
If we don't want to go to war with Russia, which we don't, I think we've done as much as we can. We want to extract maximum cost to Russia if they do invade. Both Biden and Johnson would support cutting Russia off from the SWIFT baning messaging network.
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19-02-2022, 21:20
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Putin's got everyone dancing to his tune, especially Biden. You gotta admire Putin.
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Some say Biden's got Putin rattled.
Antony Blinken gave a detailed breakdown of the US's intelligence to the United Nations. These included the misleading troop withdrawals, false pretexts for war and the means of potential attacks - tanks, troops, missiles and cyber attacks. This level of detail was acknowledged by Blinken as necessary in order to overcome the legacy of the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq.
By setting out how an invasion might occur this, it makes it harder for Russia to claim an invasion is legitimate if they follow the playbook Blinken describes, which is a small deterrent in itself.
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19-02-2022, 21:32
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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What would you do differently to Biden and Johnson?
If we don't want to go to war with Russia, which we don't, I think we've done as much as we can. We want to extract maximum cost to Russia if they do invade. Both Biden and Johnson would support cutting Russia off from the SWIFT baning messaging network.
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We can't do anything. They've already done the hard work. Divided were weakened , together we're strengthened. The 'war' has already been won in cyberspace. Whether its interference in US elections or UK referendums, Russia has ensured we're a weakened irrelevance. 10 years ago we could have stopped them.
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19-02-2022, 21:39
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
The US intelligence mob . . . are these the same people that mistook a family car for a mad bomber in Afghanistan a few months ago and blew it to kingdom come?
Do me a favour 
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19-02-2022, 22:26
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
Yes, because getting a single point of Intelligence wrong about a single vehicle over a couple of hours is exactly the same as getting wrong the movement of hundreds of thousands of troops, hundreds of aircraft and thousand of vehicles/tanks/artillery, Forward Replenishment Bases, temporary bridges over rivers leading to the border, and the setting up of Forward Operating Bases and Field Hospitals over a period of weeks…
Strangely enough, in war, mistakes are made under pressure - it’s not good, but it happens.
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19-02-2022, 23:12
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Some say Biden's got Putin rattled.
Antony Blinken gave a detailed breakdown of the US's intelligence to the United Nations. These included the misleading troop withdrawals, false pretexts for war and the means of potential attacks - tanks, troops, missiles and cyber attacks. This level of detail was acknowledged by Blinken as necessary in order to overcome the legacy of the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq.
By setting out how an invasion might occur this, it makes it harder for Russia to claim an invasion is legitimate if they follow the playbook Blinken describes, which is a small deterrent in itself.
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My take on Putin's actions in regard to Ukraine is that he wants to throw western political relations into disarray - which has done (see Germany for details).
Putin knows that NATO will not start a war but he can pretend that NATO at his door threatens Russia - even if it doesn't.
Putin can do all this because he has reorganised his economy not to depend on western business and he can look east and south instead.
Will he attack Ukraine? Who knows. He'll try to destabilise it for sure; the secession provinces in Ukraine's east provide him with false flag opportunities to stir things up. Will he engineer a coup in Kieve? Possibly.
A good performance, I'd say dispassionately.
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19-02-2022, 23:13
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by Mr K
We can't do anything. They've already done the hard work. Divided were weakened , together we're strengthened. The 'war' has already been won in cyberspace. Whether its interference in US elections or UK referendums, Russia has ensured we're a weakened irrelevance. 10 years ago we could have stopped them.
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Please explain how NATO has been divided and weakened.
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20-02-2022, 09:28
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
Also please explain exactly how we would “stop them” now, if things were otherwise unchanged from 10 years ago.
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20-02-2022, 12:53
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
I think one Russia gets its winter Olympians home, it will start.
---------- Post added at 12:53 ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 ----------
"Everything that we see indicates that invasion is very, very, highly likely and very, very imminent."
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-c...netsk-12546847
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20-02-2022, 13:10
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
Can someone explain to me what this will do to affect my life?
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20-02-2022, 13:33
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Originally Posted by Hom3r
I think one Russia gets its winter Olympians home, it will start.
---------- Post added at 12:53 ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 ----------
"Everything that we see indicates that invasion is very, very, highly likely and very, very imminent."
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-c...netsk-12546847
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Why? it is not going to escalate into WWIII the only way it could affect us in reality is in our pocket is with even higher gas prices
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20-02-2022, 14:11
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Re: Russia & Ukraine invasion threat (Defcon 4)
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Why? it is not going to escalate into WWIII the only way it could affect us in reality is in our pocket is with even higher gas prices
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You have to remember Hom3r is 'between jobs' and may run the risk of being called up as an air raid warden . . . he's probably now practicing his authoritative voice . . . " Oy, put that light out" 
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