Coronavirus

[Taf]

Germany and Poland are heading the wrong way.

[pip08456]

On a lighter note, Americans get more stupid every day.

Bathing with borax is not the same as bathing with Borat. There shouldn’t be a reason to do either, though, after you’ve gotten the Covid-19 vaccine. Unless, of course, you happen to be Borat.

Yet, an osteopathic doctor, Carrie Madej, DO, recently claimed in a TikTok video that you should take a bath after vaccination to “detoxx the vaxx.” And she wasn’t recommending a standard bubble bath. Instead, this bath included baking soda and epsom salts to remove the “radiation,” Bentonite clay to pull out the “poison,” and, yes, one cup of borax to “take nanotechnologies out of you.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...d-19-vaccines/

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by pip08456

On a lighter note, Americans get more stupid every day.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...d-19-vaccines/

Mental institution material.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Mental institution material.

White House material

[pip08456]

Austria going into full lockdown and mandated vaccine for all.

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last a maximum of 20 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

He was responding to record cases numbers and one of the lowest vaccination levels in Western Europe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343650

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Austria going into full lockdown and mandated vaccine for all.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343650

The fourth glorious Reich begins.

Yes, because trying to stop rampant rising infections is exactly the same as invading other countries and genocide.

You really need to get out more, and wean yourself of the Express...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, because trying to stop rampant rising infections is exactly the same as invading other countries and genocide.

You really need to get out more, and wean yourself of the Express...

Ah the same attitude that allowed the 3rd Reich to grow.

[nffc]

Doesn't seem like so long ago that we had people looking at the numbers here and Europe and wondering what they were doing right and we weren't.


Obviously it remains to be seen whether this will still be the case, but the numbers in England seem to be held under control and have for a while, this is despite very few restrictions at all, and according to the various data the cases are still very much in school kids (though the latest report last night showed more that it was primary kids not secondary who were getting it now - possibly as more secondary kids have either had it or had a jab) and that the figures in adults are still relatively low. Assuming this trend continues (and we would have presumably seen the effect before half term) it will probably eventually burn itself out.



Yet Austria are clearly having issues with hospitalisations as I seem to recall their people mentioning it as a metric in the unvaccinated lockdown, which doesn't appear to have made much difference, not that they have really given it chance to. Germany are also struggling as are other countries such as Belgium which are now recording relative case loads much higher than the UK and which are also growing in a concerning fashion as opposed to fluctuating around going up and down a bit like the UK's figures are.


Unless they have some serious issues with the vaccines simply not working, or a variant we don't know about yet, as opposed to there simply being a large number of unvaccinated people in these places, it would be interesting to see what has gone wrong over there.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, because trying to stop rampant rising infections is exactly the same as invading other countries and genocide.

You really need to get out more, and wean yourself of the Express...

forcing you to undergo a medical procedure mandated by the state against your will, removing your own bodily autonomy.

Mengele would be proud

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Ah the same attitude that allowed the 3rd Reich to grow.

They said it could never happen again nor be allowed to happen again.

What COVID has shown us is it could easily happen again. Scare the population, tell them that the Unvaccinated are the cause of their problems.

The population will fall into line quite nicely.

[nffc]

It's a sensible precaution.


Given that they are now getting a Delta spike and have a lot of unvaccinated it's got potential to take off more than anything before.


So I suppose people do have a choice really. They can get vaccinated, people can get their lockdowns lifted, things go back to normal, or they don't, they stay in lockdown, and more people catch covid and die, because it's unlikely even a lockdown will hold it with this variant.



It's like driving a car without a seatbelt on, you can do it but if you hit something you'll probably end up in hospital.



This doesn't need fear factor or analogies drawn to despots, it is common sense, if you are not vaccinated, you are at a much higher risk of getting covid, getting into hospital, and dying, than if you are not. The UK has a much higher vaccination record than the countries that are having issues, with the same virus, and has much less severe issues.



If people haven't seen the sense in doing it by now and people are still dying of covid what choice do they have? The only other one is letting them die.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nffc

So I suppose people do have a choice really.

That's the issue with mandated vaccinations though isn't it, as they don't.

Don't mis-understand me, I think everybody at risk of serious illness where a vaccine will be of benefit to them should get it.

I'm just against the state mandating it, or putting you under house arrest if you haven't had it, or asking to see your "papers" as you conduct your own business.

[nomadking]

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Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.


Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last a maximum of 20 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

That's not to go down too well.

[papa smurf]

we should brace ourselves for the influx of Austrian refuges fleeing tyranny.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The fourth glorious Reich begins.

"Ordnung muss sein".

Actually, it's not a bad thing to mandate the vaccine if the population would accept that sort of thing. I know the British wouldn't accept a mandatory vaccination in current circumstances for reasons such as "my body is mine not the State's" - and that attitude would be common among the vaccinated people too. Yet it makes utter sense to vaccinate everybody.

I know Austria very well and have relatives there. I've put the proposition to one of them who says:

in Austria the right wing party FPÖ is fighting the idea of vaccination from the beginning on. They will now mobilize against this decision. The difference to Britain seems to me, that there is no relevant political party which is against vaccination.

In two counties - Salzburg and Upper Austria - there will be too many people in hospital within the next weeks, so Doctors will have to decide, whom to give a bed and oxygen, and whom not. Terrible situation.

He goes on to say, in response to my further enquiry:

That will become law, as there are examples of other vaccines, which are compulsory, as with polio virus or smallpox. It is therefore not against the constitution.

I think it's good to do so

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Originally Posted by Pierre

forcing you to undergo a medical procedure mandated by the state against your will, removing your own bodily autonomy.

Mengele would be proud.

Such comments (and others about the "Reich") are ridiculous. Mengele experimented with innocent people, nothing to do with protecting them.