Voter ID

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What would be on an ID card that isn't in a passport?

The "Anti ID" crowd were spreading rumours that an onboard chip could contain masses of personal information that could be accessed by anyone with a reader.

Probably totally incorrect, but there is that possibility.

There was talk of combining the ID with your driving licence.

[Mr K]

I wouldn't worry, this will all be dropped.
It suppressed the Tory vote more than Labours and that was the opposite of what was intended.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I wouldn't worry, this will all be dropped.
It suppressed the Tory vote more than Labours and that was the opposite of what was intended.

Really, that's what suppressed the tory vote? I'd have said it was the tory government that suppressed their vote more than anything

[Hom3r]

What makes me lauch is the tracking claims with IDs, yet they carry a moble that knows exactly where they are 24/7.


Sadley these idiots in the minority seems to get their way.

[TheDaddy]

Well well well, the tories demand we have voter ID but preside over a country where your vote goes uncounted because of a genuine mistake and before anyone says they only lost 864 votes in Broughton and Scawby, the two tory victors only got 525 votes each, shambolic, inept and corrupt

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Well well well, the tories demand we have voter ID but preside over a country where your vote goes uncounted because of a genuine mistake and before anyone says they only lost 864 votes in Broughton and Scawby, the two tory victors only got 525 votes each, shambolic, inept and corrupt

Where is the corruption?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Where is the corruption?

Oh I don't know maybe it's the fact the votes can't be counted now the result is declared, bit like how the home office used ministerial powers recently to directly over rule parliament, I had no idea this is what taking back control meant

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Oh I don't know maybe it's the fact the votes can't be counted now the result is declared, bit like how the home office used ministerial powers recently to directly over rule parliament, I had no idea this is what taking back control meant

It is just the latest in a very long line of lies Conservative politicians have fed voters about Brexit since the referendum.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I wouldn't worry, this will all be dropped.
It suppresselikelyd the Tory vote more than Labours and that was the opposite of what was intended.

Exactly.

It's a fact that older people are more likely to vote Conservative.

This Government is now so desperate that they are even prepared to interfere with the democratic process eg young persons bus passes weren't acceptable ID, but elderly persons bus passes were.

Having worked in various positions both for different political parties and the official Electoral Registration Office, voter fraud is not a major issue in the UK.

From memory, last year in the whole of the UK there were just six cases of alleged voter fraud. After investigate, just two were put forward for prosecution.

People are unlikely to risk getting into serious trouble for the benefit of another person, especially where one extra vote for them is extremely unlikely to sway the final outcome.

A far bigger problem is encouraging people to take part in the electoral process and, after they've made the effort to go to a polling station, being denied the right to vote is hardly going to encourage them to make the effort again.

My belief is that, like in Australia, everyone should ve required to vote in most circumstances. However, an option 'None of the above' should be provided.

An unofficial way to do this already exists by deliberately spoiling the ballot paper. The vest way to do this to help counting staff is to put one big cross over the entire paper.

This way the vote is counted, but not attributed to any person/party.

[Mr K]

Something as simple as online voting would be the way to go of they really want to increase turnout. But that's not in the Govts. best interest.
Similar for union strike votes, insist voting can only be done by post, and insist on a 50% turn out.
All about suppressing those you don't want to vote is the name of the game. A tactic imported from the US and the republicans/Trump play book.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Exactly.

It's a fact that older people are more likely to vote Conservative.

This Government is now so desperate that they are even prepared to interfere with the democratic process eg young persons bus passes weren't acceptable ID, but elderly persons bus passes were.

Having worked in various positions both for different political parties and the official Electoral Registration Office, voter fraud is not a major issue in the UK.

From memory, last year in the whole of the UK there were just six cases of alleged voter fraud. After investigate, just two were put forward for prosecution.

People are unlikely to risk getting into serious trouble for the benefit of another person, especially where one extra vote for them is extremely unlikely to sway the final outcome.

A far bigger problem is encouraging people to take part in the electoral process and, after they've made the effort to go to a polling station, being denied the right to vote is hardly going to encourage them to make the effort again.

My belief is that, like in Australia, everyone should ve required to vote in most circumstances. However, an option 'None of the above' should be provided.

An unofficial way to do this already exists by deliberately spoiling the ballot paper. The vest way to do this to help counting staff is to put one big cross over the entire paper.

This way the vote is counted, but not attributed to any person/party.

You cannot measure the scale of a problem by reference to the number of prosecutions. For example, look at the number of rapes that are reported and then look at the prosecution rate - it is pretty dire by any measure.

Nobody knows the number of people who used the votes of others before this new arrangement was introduced because there were no checks.

It is easy to get ID from the council if you don’t have a passport, driving licence, concessionaire bus pass, etc. The only real reason this is an issue is that it stops people from committing fraud at the ballot box - a crime that probably benefited Labour.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You cannot measure the scale of a problem by reference to the number of prosecutions. For example, look at the number of rapes that are reported and then look at the prosecution rate - it is pretty dire by any measure.

Nobody knows the number of people who used the votes of others before this new arrangement was introduced because there were no checks.

It is easy to get ID from the council if you don’t have a passport, driving licence, concessionaire bus pass, etc. The only real reason this is an issue is that it stops people from committing fraud at the ballot box - a crime that probably benefited Labour.

Speaking of fraud* at the ballot box…

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023...ed-id-at-polls

The Conservative Party has been forced to apologise after distributing election leaflets which told voter people they did not need to take ID when they go to vote in the local elections.

The leaflets, which were distributed to around 250 homes in Norwich, encouraged people to vote Tory, and incorrectly stated: "You don’t need to take any ID in order to vote, so long as you are registered."

However, voters do need to take photo ID to the polling stations in the local elections next week.

*defrauding voters of the right to vote by misinformation, meaning they would not be able to vote

[Hom3r]

What about making voting compulsoury?


Other countries do?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

What about making voting compulsoury?


Other countries do?

Why give the vote to people who are not into politics and don’t have a clue?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why give the vote to people who are not into politics and don’t have a clue?

Why give the vote to people who are into politics and don’t have a clue?