Police to get tough on internet trolls.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Media reports and filmed interactions when they are caught where evidence is discussed.

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I have never claimed that they definitely will do. My point is that if they do so, I suspect that you and others wouldn't risk the consequences and go to the trouble of using a proscribed service, particularly when legal alternatives would still exist.

Your wrong i would carry on using it.

If this was ever to become a reality i would put it in the stupid law box and i have no problem ignoring stupid laws i do it all the time.

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Originally Posted by jfman

You never met anyone with an ITV Digital gold card, a dodgy cable box or a Fire Stick?

Part of my job at one point was to catch them . Not anymore however.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

You never met anyone with an ITV Digital gold card, a dodgy cable box or a Fire Stick?

If I have they didn't tell me, so the answer is no

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Itshim

If I have they didn't tell me, so the answer is no

I too had a dodgy box and now have a firestick (behind a VPN).

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by jfman

dodgy cable box

What an Enigma they were

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I too had a dodgy box and now have a firestick (behind a VPN).

It's strange that the driving factor behind the massive increase in VPN usage is Firesticks and the Governments stupid plans to snoop on the daily lives of the population.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

What an Enigma they were

Indeed .

To be clear i never had one for obvious reasons nor do i have a dodgy firestick

Its laughable how they pass laws to tighten up privacy, and then talk about reading all your private messages. Idiots.

[Mad Max]

Ban Whatsapp? what a load of shite!

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I have never claimed that they definitely will do. My point is that if they do so, I suspect that you and others wouldn't risk the consequences and go to the trouble of using a proscribed service, particularly when legal alternatives would still exist.

I suppose the government could pass lots laws banning people from being or doing all sorts of things, unfortunately while many of us may think they would be a good idea they sadly would be pretty unenforceable .

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I suppose the government could pass lots laws banning people from being or doing all sorts of things, unfortunately while many of us may think they would be a good idea they sadly would be pretty unenforceable .

Totally agree

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sirius

It's strange that the driving factor behind the massive increase in VPN usage is Firesticks and the Governments stupid plans to snoop on the daily lives of the population.

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Indeed .

To be clear i never had one for obvious reasons nor do i have a dodgy firestick

Neither did I. I was at a late friend's house when a Virgin engineer came to fit his dodgy NTL box (though it was Virgin). I asked it it had a return path that could catch him out, to which he replied that the box was invisible to the network.

Was this true? If so, how did they catch people out in those days?

I was also told that Virgin weren't too bothered as people using these boxes had to subscribe to at least the minimum subscription, so it drove up sales and that them accessing Sky Sports and Sky Movies for free didn't cost the company any money as legitimate subscriptions to these services didn't make any money for them after they'd paid Sky (I believe that this is no longer the case, which is why Virgin now actively market these products).

This is said to be the reason why it was allowed to go on for so long and why they didn't pay for a new encryption system (until Sky insisted upon it).

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Neither did I. I was at a late friend's house when a Virgin engineer came to fit his dodgy NTL box (though it was Virgin). I asked it it had a return path that could catch him out, to which he replied that the box was invisible to the network.

Was this true? If so, how did they catch people out in those days?

I was also told that Virgin weren't too bothered as people using these boxes had to subscribe to at least the minimum subscription, so it drove up sales and that them accessing Sky Sports and Sky Movies for free didn't cost the company any money as legitimate subscriptions to these services didn't make any money for them after they'd paid Sky (I believe that this is no longer the case, which is why Virgin now actively market these products).

This is said to be the reason why it was allowed to go on for so long and why they didn't pay for a new encryption system (until Sky insisted upon it).

I believe you could see the connection cab level but to trace beyond that I do not think was easy.

As far as I am aware if your had BB you could have a card share box without any TV. A lot of boxes had both sat and cable tuners

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Neither did I. I was at a late friend's house when a Virgin engineer came to fit his dodgy NTL box (though it was Virgin). I asked it it had a return path that could catch him out, to which he replied that the box was invisible to the network.

Was this true? If so, how did they catch people out in those days?

I was also told that Virgin weren't too bothered as people using these boxes had to subscribe to at least the minimum subscription, so it drove up sales and that them accessing Sky Sports and Sky Movies for free didn't cost the company any money as legitimate subscriptions to these services didn't make any money for them after they'd paid Sky (I believe that this is no longer the case, which is why Virgin now actively market these products).

This is said to be the reason why it was allowed to go on for so long and why they didn't pay for a new encryption system (until Sky insisted upon it).

Richard, repeating libellous statements can get you into serious legal trouble - you are repeating claims that VM/NTL encouraged illegal activities as it benefited them financially.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I believe you could see the connection cab level but to trace beyond that I do not think was easy.

As far as I am aware if your had BB you could have a card share box without any TV. A lot of boxes had both sat and cable tuners

He had broadband, phone and a legitimate V box in the living room at the time. The dodgy box was to be used in his bedroom.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Richard, repeating libellous statements can get you into serious legal trouble - you are repeating claims that VM/NTL encouraged illegal activities as it benefited them financially.

These allegations were made by the Virgin engineer when I chatted to him whilst he was installing the dodgy extra box.

I did a search about what he'd said when I got home and the general consensus on the internet was that this was believed to be the case. It also said that it was considered good etiquete to subscribe to the basic subscription when accessing unauthorised pay TV .

I wouldn't go as far as to say that this was encouraged and, to be clear, the engineer hadn't been sent by Virgin to do it! He came in his own time.

I couldn't find anything about the return path, which is why I asked sirius about this.

Can anyone who had a dodgy box confirm if they could access VOD on them? I think that my late friend was told that he could access any VOD/PPV event, but it's a long time ago now and I obviously can't ask him. If people could access these services, it must have had a return path- so I can't understand how these boxes were invisible to the network and thus detectable as dodgy boxes on the network.

It's all acedemic now as it's so long ago, but i'm just curious.

I do remember that Virgin put up a slate that appeared on dodgy boxes that said something along the lines of 'You are watching on unauthorised equipment. To subscribe call xxx, no questions asked'!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sirius

It's strange that the driving factor behind the massive increase in VPN usage is Firesticks and the Governments stupid plans to snoop on the daily lives of the population.

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Indeed .

To be clear i never had one for obvious reasons nor do i have a dodgy firestick

I've had a VPN far longer than a firestick.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

He had broadband, phone and a legitimate V box in the living room at the time. The dodgy box was to be used in his bedroom.

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These allegations were made by the Virgin engineer when I chatted to him whilst he was installing the dodgy extra box.

I did a search about what he'd said when I got home and the general consensus on the internet was that this was believed to be the case. It also said that it was considered good etiquete to subscribe to the basic subscription when accessing unauthorised pay TV .

I wouldn't go as far as to say that this was encouraged and, to be clear, the engineer hadn't been sent by Virgin to do it! He came in his own time.

I couldn't find anything about the return path, which is why I asked sirius about this.

Can anyone who had a dodgy box confirm if they could access VOD on them? I think that my late friend was told that he could access any VOD/PPV event, but it's a long time ago now and I obviously can't ask him. If people could access these services, it must have had a return path- so I can't understand how these boxes were invisible to the network and thus detectable as dodgy boxes on the network.

It's all acedemic now as it's so long ago, but i'm just curious.

I do remember that Virgin put up a slate that appeared on dodgy boxes that said something along the lines of 'You are watching on unauthorised equipment. To subscribe call xxx, no questions asked'!

Richard please be clear i never have and never will talk about ways to circumnavigate set-top box encryption on here or anywhere else. As for your other accusations that Virgin allowed this to happen you are completely wrong and if someone was found to be doing it they would be instantly dismissed.