UTP Cable Wiring Nightmare

[thenry]

TLC but they havent got 6e

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by thenry

Google shows up that cat6e does exist Qas? I wouldn't trust ebay though as you said. not even for a cat5 cable.

two links randomly picked...

www.ehow.com/about_6521486_specifications-cat5_-cat6-cat6e-cables.html

www.binbert.com/blog/2010/05/differences-between-cat5-cat5e-cat6-and-cat6e-cables/

Google is just returning results from other similarly confused or fooled victims. Both of those links are actually people who haven't a clue what 'e' means and are talking about Cat 6a. This cable certainly isn't cat 6a nor is it 6e, which does not exist.

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Originally Posted by thenry

TLC but they havent got 6e

Because 6e does not exist.

[thenry]

sorry

[Cobbydaler]

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/acatalo...rk_cable.html?

It's 6 not 6a...

http://www.rm-electrical.com/publish...specification/

[qasdfdsaq]

It's not even 6. Like I said, probably closer to 4.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

It's not even 6. Like I said, probably closer to 4.

The cable to purchase in the link is 6 not 6a. You're talking about OP's eBay purchase.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by rumelk

I need about 100m in total, any recommendations as to where to purchase? needs to be uncrimped or on a roll of some sort.

Many Thanks

I like Ubiquiti Toughcable but it aint cheap.

Most of the mainstream stores sell decent quality stuff, also most of the mainstream stores don't make up fake categories to make their cable sound better... Craplin does 305m of real Cat 5e or 6 for £80 or per metre at ridiculously overpriced rates. Or 20m for £9

Ebuyer does a 100m roll for £47

http://www.ebuyer.com/57616-belkin-c...m-a7l704uk100m

A 300m reel of real Cat6a costs £300 by the way, so you can tell anyone selling "6e" for £50 is telling porkies.

I've said many times before though, there is no point to getting Cat 6 cabling (except in this case, it's cheaper). Cat 5, 5e, and 6 all do exactly the same speed so unless you are using broken/faulty/bad quality cable it will not be any faster. Cat6a will go to 10Gbps but since those cost £400+ per link I doubt many people who don't already know what they're doing will be trying to use it in their homes.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Our office network was wired in 5e and happily runs at gigabit connections. Many of our cable lengths will exceed the OP's 30m requirement. I recall buying the cable as 300m reels from Screwfix along with all the other sockets and stuff.

[rumelk]

Thank you all.

qas:
I was under the impression that cat 5 can't do gigabit ethernet. Im aware that cat 5e can though, am i mistaken?

I was looking at the

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/acatalo...rk_cable.html?

100m Roll, do you guys think this is ok for Cat 6, with that said the same site above do a 305m roll for £90? Is this the cheap ebay stuff, or would it ok?

I want to be future proof, so that for the next 10 years i would not have to upgrade the cabling hence attempting to go for Cat6. Already have Cat 5 wired up, but the internal transfer speeds are not quick enough when transferring large chuncks of data.

Many Thanks

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[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by rumelk

Thank you all.

qas:
I was under the impression that cat 5 can't do gigabit ethernet. Im aware that cat 5e can though, am i mistaken?

I was looking at the

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/acatalo...rk_cable.html?

100m Roll, do you guys think this is ok for Cat 6, with that said the same site above do a 305m roll for £90? Is this the cheap ebay stuff, or would it ok?

I want to be future proof, so that for the next 10 years i would not have to upgrade the cabling hence attempting to go for Cat6. Already have Cat 5 wired up, but the internal transfer speeds are not quick enough when transferring large chuncks of data.

Many Thanks

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Connectix seem to be a reputable company:

http://www.connectixcablingsystems.com/

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by rumelk

Thank you all.

qas:
I was under the impression that cat 5 can't do gigabit ethernet. Im aware that cat 5e can though, am i mistaken?

Cat 5 can do gigabit, Cat5e has exactly the same bandwidth rating as Cat 5, the only difference being it is slightly less interference prone.

I was looking at the

http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/acatalo...rk_cable.html?

100m Roll, do you guys think this is ok for Cat 6, with that said the same site above do a 305m roll for £90? Is this the cheap ebay stuff, or would it ok?

Can't say I've heard of them myself...

I want to be future proof, so that for the next 10 years i would not have to upgrade the cabling hence attempting to go for Cat6. Already have Cat 5 wired up, but the internal transfer speeds are not quick enough when transferring large chuncks of data.

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating Cat 6 is pointless. It is not future proof. It can do nothing that you can't already with Cat 5.

As I said earlier unless your Cat 5 cable is faulty there will be zero speed difference. If your cable is faulty, then your problem is sub-par cable, not cable category. Sucky cable is sucky cable nomatter how many cats you stick on the label.

[Tricky]

I would recommend establish the lengths you'd need and then buy some pre-made cables of that length - if you need to run the cable without a plug then your worst case is that you need to only put one plug on (I.e. the one you removed to thread the cable).

Just a thought - How did you strip the cable? Did you use the yellow tool in the picture? - When you did this did you then expose a good few inches of cable to work on adding the plugs? - Those strippers can "nick" the cables again creating crosstalk/faults so you should never work on the bare cut.

Also when you wire up the RJ45 connector you need to do this as close to the twists as you can - improving the signal.

A photo of one of your ends might help?

[rumelk]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating Cat 6 is pointless. It is not future proof. It can do nothing that you can't already with Cat 5.

As I said earlier unless your Cat 5 cable is faulty there will be zero speed difference. If your cable is faulty, then your problem is sub-par cable, not cable category. Sucky cable is sucky cable nomatter how many cats you stick on the label.

I already have cat 5 prewired through the walls and it does not receive gigabit ethernet. The cat 5e however does. There is definately a difference between cat 5 (already wired) and cat5e/cat6. How would you get gigabit ethernet from a cat 5 cable? When i plug in a cat 5e/cat6 cable the computer, it automatically adjusts to gb ethernet, in comparison to the cat 5 cable which automatically goes to 100mb.

I understand what your saying that cat5 can receive gb ethernet, however it is not certified which is why a lot of people are questioning it. Cat 5 cable can reach gigabit in some scenarios, unfortunately for me, it doesn't.

Just some links below i've been reading


http://www.cableorganizer.com/articl...cat5e-cat6.htm
http://www.howtogeek.com/70494/what-...-should-i-use/
http://www.networkcablingdirectory.c...ng-id_1151.htm

Got in contact the with ebay seller and agreed to issue a refund for the dud cable! just had a look at how twisted the CAT6 cable should look like, and how the cable i had did not look like that. Will get a picture of the supposed "cat 6" cable i have, in comparison to what it should look like.

Thanks for all the replies.

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Originally Posted by Tricky

Just a thought - How did you strip the cable? Did you use the yellow tool in the picture? - When you did this did you then expose a good few inches of cable to work on adding the plugs? - Those strippers can "nick" the cables again creating crosstalk/faults so you should never work on the bare cut.

Also when you wire up the RJ45 connector you need to do this as close to the twists as you can - improving the signal.

A photo of one of your ends might help?

I didnt use yellow tool. I stripped it with a set of pliers and then used the "string" inside the cable to rip the plastic sleeve to ensure that any "nicks" in the cable are cut off and freshly crimpted.

Will get some photos up soon

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by rumelk

I already have cat 5 prewired through the walls and it does not receive gigabit ethernet. The cat 5e however does. There is definately a difference between cat 5 (already wired) and cat5e/cat6.

No there isn't. There is a difference between a faulty cable and a working cable.

Plain cat 5 is certified to meet all the requirements of gigabit ethernet.

How would you get gigabit ethernet from a cat 5 cable?

Plug it in.

When i plug in a cat 5e/cat6 cable the computer, it automatically adjusts to gb ethernet, in comparison to the cat 5 cable which automatically goes to 100mb.

Then your cat 5 cable is faulty.

I understand what your saying that cat5 can receive gb ethernet, however it is not certified which is why a lot of people are questioning it. Cat 5 cable can reach gigabit in some scenarios, unfortunately for me, it doesn't.

If your says cat 5 and is not certified to be cat 5 then it is not cat 5 cable. Your problem is fake cable.

Just some links below i've been reading

You've been reading misinformation. Even the first link you cited says cat 5 can do gigabit, but then claims it can't.

Got in contact the with ebay seller and agreed to issue a refund for the dud cable! just had a look at how twisted the CAT6 cable should look like, and how the cable i had did not look like that. Will get a picture of the supposed "cat 6" cable i have, in comparison to what it should look like.

I'd be surprised if you can tell anything from the way the cable looks on the outside, other than it claims to be a type of cable that does not exist.

I didnt use yellow tool. I stripped it with a set of pliers and then used the "string" inside the cable to rip the plastic sleeve to ensure that any "nicks" in the cable are cut off and freshly crimpted.

Do NOT strip cables using pliers. At worst, use a stanley knife.

[rumelk]

obviously the cat 5 cable was plugged in hence i ask how you'd get gigabit ethernet from a cat 5 cable!

I've tried a number of different cat 5 patch cables some brand new and some old and none of which do gigabit, but then when plugging in cat5e i get gigabit, so no it's not the pc hardware either; i dont beleive that all those cables are faulty, it's just not possible!

Theres got to be another solution to which your probably not aware of.

I meant to say the wires were stripped with a wire strippers and then the 'string' inside was used the peel/rip the plastic sleeve, and then cut away any nicks.