28-11-2021, 17:50
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Why would you not allow an appeal?
A third of appeals are successful based on our own rules, and that's with over half of all claims being successful at the initial claim.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn01403/
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Decisions and refusals
The percentage of asylum applicants refused at initial decision reached its highest point at 88% in 2004. After that, the percentage of applicants refused at initial decision fell to 59% in 2014, then rose again before dropping to 48% in 2019.
In the period from 2004 to 2020, around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodged an appeal and almost one third of those appeals were allowed.
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28-11-2021, 18:10
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Correct, it’s not really France’s problem.
Any persons that land on the beach should be taken to an assessment facility where their claim to asylum can be heard and judged.
Those with a valid claim can stay.
Those that are Illegal immigrants should be deported back to their country of origin immediately, without right to appeal and not France.
They should not be allowed to leave said facility until their claim has been decided
Only when word gets out that the U.K. has a very strict admittance policy and only those with a valid claim of “asylum” can stay, or those that have followed a legal immigration route can stay. The chancers may take their chances elsewhere or end up back in Iraq or Syria or wherever.
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So what you’re advocating is tweaking the existing policy? As in most cases I coming claimants are housed in reception centres and only moved out to other accommodation if a certain condition is met ( I can’t remember which one)
People (I don’t necessarily mean you) need to start dealing with facts & evidence rather than sensationalist media headlines
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Spot on.
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Not spot on at all, had we been in the EU we would have had more of an opportunity to return to France.
As in a lot of things, Brexit is not helping.
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28-11-2021, 18:32
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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To speed up the process, and reduce any backlog. It doesn’t have to be in our gift to grant any appeal.
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28-11-2021, 18:34
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Not spot on at all, had we been in the EU we would have had more of an opportunity to return to France.
As in a lot of things, Brexit is not helping.
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Yes it is, Carth was right, wind your neck in, smart arse!
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28-11-2021, 18:34
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Not spot on at all, had we been in the EU we would have had more of an opportunity to return to France.
As in a lot of things, Brexit is not helping.
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Why burden France with them, send them back to their country of origin.
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28-11-2021, 18:36
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Yes it is, Carth was right, smart arse!
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No, he’s not, for the reasons specified. If you’re not able to have a reasonable debate then we will leave it there.
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Why burden France with them, send them back to their country of origin.
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Isn’t this done already ? Would you agree that the antagonism towards the French serves little to no purpose?
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28-11-2021, 18:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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No, he’s not, for the reasons specified. If you’re not able to have a reasonable debate then we will leave it there.
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Isn’t this done already ? Would you agree that the antagonism towards the French serves little to no purpose?
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No point debating it with you, as you seem to know it all.
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28-11-2021, 18:43
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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No point debating it with you, as you seem to know it all.
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It’s very common knowledge.
Had we remained in the EU we would have had a greater opportunity to return people to France.
We’re no longer in the EU
We left the EU because of Brexit.
As I said, Brexit plays a part in the issue but is not wholly responsible for the issue.
I’m worried about you, if you keep on overreacting you’ll have an aneurism. Please don’t
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28-11-2021, 18:46
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Isn’t this done already ?
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. Not enough and numbers of those returned has fallen steadily for 9 years
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Would you agree that the antagonism towards the French serves little to no purpose?
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Yes, we should deal with them ourselves swiftly and efficiently.
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28-11-2021, 18:47
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Why burden France with them, send them back to their country of origin.
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That's where the problem lies . . proving their country of origin (and I don't mean France).
Basically, if you can't prove where they're from, and they refuse to tell you, you're stuck with them.
I'd shove em all onto those small islands up north of Scotland until their memory improved . . but that's just me, I'd never make a politician, far too honest 
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28-11-2021, 18:58
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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. Not enough and numbers of those returned has fallen steadily for 9 years
Yes, we should deal with them ourselves swiftly and efficiently.
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And treat humanely and with compassion until such time as the process is completed and a final decision reached.
It seems to me (correct me if I’m wrong) that your issue is with the U.K. infrastructure side of things ?
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That's where the problem lies . . proving their country of origin (and I don't mean France).
Basically, if you can't prove where they're from, and they refuse to tell you, you're stuck with them.
I'd shove em all onto those small islands up north of Scotland until their memory improved . . but that's just me, I'd never make a politician, far too honest |
Do we want to help fix the issue? Or do we just want to move the issue into someone other countries plate ?
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28-11-2021, 19:10
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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What is your "own kind"?
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Not actually relevant is it.
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28-11-2021, 19:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Not actually relevant is it.
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yes, it is, since it was part of your post - unless you are saying that part of your post is irrelevant?
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could I and hundreds of thousands of my "own kind"
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28-11-2021, 19:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Do we want to help fix the issue? Or do we just want to move the issue into someone other countries plate ?
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Hey, it aint my fault your beloved EU opened the floodgates with all the promises.
How's Poland doing mate?
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28-11-2021, 19:15
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Hey, it aint my fault your beloved EU opened the floodgates with all the promises.
How's Poland doing mate?
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Do you want to compare ourselves to Poland in how we treat people ? That’s your justification?
You know my views on the EU, they’re not without significant issue.
Don’t try and turn this into cheap point scoring, you’re better than that
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