Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes, that’s right, it’s not the ongoing underinvestment as highlighted in the article I posted previously…



You’re gaslighting - if you continuously blame "the lazy shirkers", you make it easy for Business to not have actually invest in their people and technologies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.

I think you're looking at the high-profile situation at Network Rail through a narrow lens and assuming this is how the rest of the UK works. It doesn't.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.

So to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't share your (very narrow?) political views are responsible. You're sounding more and more in favour of a one party state.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m very productive, Mr K, which is why I can only respond to posts at certain times. And I watch only one and a half hours per night of TV except on Fridays and Saturdays.

As usual, wrong on all counts. Sorry, mate.

You're ongoing arguement in the steaming thread made me wonder, how your 90 mins a night claim matches up with all the TV subscriptions you have? Seems you must have to work hard to pay for all those streamers you don't get time to watch.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

Yes, Seph, that's because John Redwood is the only one for you!

Not at all, OB. I would have preferred one of the right field candidates. I want JR to advise the PM.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't share your (very narrow?) political views are responsible. You're sounding more and more in favour of a one party state.[COLOR="Silver"]
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I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

Who are these people you are demonising as please tell us OB?.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

You can't be lazy and disruptive? takes too much effort?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

Sounds just like Boris.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Because the whole thing is in the public arena (as on TV last night) and the two candidates are not what I want as a paid up Conservative.

I don't think you need to "paid up" Conservative supporter to not want them either. These two represent the evolution of the current ERG Party and it is not pretty.

I would despair if I was a Tory Party supporter*



by this I mean, someone who is able to perceive reality and come to an rational conclusion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

But the current Conservative executive are politicians?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I've lost count how many times during this government I've heard one minister or another use the phrase "hardworking families".

To be fair, Labour started that one (alienating millions of hard-working single people in the process)

Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardworking_families

Gordon Brown expressed gratitude to Bob Shrum for suggesting the phrase between 1994 and 1997

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

To be fair, Labour started that one (alienating millions of hard-working single people in the process)

I'm lost for words

Originally Posted by jfman

And yet none of that contradicts anything I said in my post.

I didn’t say it did, but your usual one sidedness rears it’s ugly head. Labour are just as shit at not reigning in corruption.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I didn’t say it did, but your usual one sidedness rears it’s ugly head. Labour are just as shit at not reigning in corruption.

I don’t have to “both sides” how shit the Tories are, any more than you have to concede how shit Trump is in those threads. To claim it’s “ugly” in a thread about the current PM and the next one is simply preposterous.

I was directly taking on a ludicrous point Old Boy blaming working people and not politicians for the state this country is in. I’ll happily say it’s 40 years of economic failure if that helps, covering “both sides”.

The whataboutery serves nobody well. And if anything only makes these threads more adversarial than they need to be by playing the man and not the ball. My points are extremely valid responding to the post it did.

Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t have to “both sides” how shit the Tories are, any more than you have to concede how shit Trump is in those threads. To claim it’s “ugly” in a thread about the current PM and the next one is simply preposterous.

I was directly taking on a ludicrous point Old Boy blaming working people and not politicians for the state this country is in. I’ll happily say it’s 40 years of economic failure if that helps, covering “both sides”.

The whataboutery serves nobody well. And if anything only makes these threads more adversarial than they need to be by playing the man and not the ball. My points are extremely valid responding to the post it did.

I don’t care who you were specifically talking to, I’m talking to you. You attack the Tories, the party I support and paint how shit they are, I’ll add balance by saying how just as shit, Labour are, at not reigning in corruption. If you don’t like it, tough luck.

I’ve conceded many times how bad Trump can be & how much he can be an idiot, go look it up, so that crap accusation won’t wash. Crucially - it’s absolutely nothing to do with this topic either. So stay on it.

[Mr K]

Another poll to cheer you up Mick I know you like them

LAB: 39% (+2)
CON: 31% (-3)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
GRN: 7% (+1)

via
@OpiniumResearch
, 18 - 19 Aug

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...24899152666624


Another more interesting one is that Labour are now more trusted on the economy, can't remember last time that happened.