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Old 13-08-2022, 22:17   #16
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

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Rotherham, Rochdale, Halifax, Telford, Huddersfield……………

Batley Grammar School, Bradford Cinema ……….

I would say they affirm my point.
I don’t hear much from politicians in Government about that either, because the elephant in the room is they don’t want to publicly fund social services or policing to the extent required to prevent it. If the systematic rape of some poor white girls in the north is the price worth paying for tax cuts then so be it is the attitude. Individual responsibility, innit?

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Who hasn't condemned it? This only happened yesterday and not everyone needs to take to Twitter/Facebook to offer their own personal condemnation. I think you can assume most people condemn attempted murder unless they express otherwise. This vanity that people think the world needs their own personal statement to be added to the record is weird. As is the scorekeeping on how quickly someone can condemn it. This isn't a competition.
It’s a competition for the right because it distracts from their own multitude of failings in Government to focus on a culture war.

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I thought I condemned it by buying his book, tbh though does it need condemning, on what planet is this sort of thing ever justified, it's so heinous does it really need people voicing disapproval to clarify that
Indeed, and I presume the OP is of that view too, so I was slightly bring pedantic in light of the statement made that there was no rush from the left to condemn. Technically nobody had.

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Old 13-08-2022, 22:56   #17
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

I agree it is not a competition - Ok truth time, I posted what I did in post two, as a test, pip posted this thread yesterday and it had not received a single reply, I saw elsewhere that Keir Starmer had been a bit slow in his applying his own public condemnation for the attack for some reason.

It was very partisan of me, I basically should have asked, why the hell has nobody responded to what is essentially a very heinous attack, on a well known novelist?
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Old 13-08-2022, 23:02   #18
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Well at least you call it as you see it, JFman could learn from you.

It’s not cobblers though is it?

Rotherham, Rochdale, Halifax, Telford, Huddersfield……………

Batley Grammar School, Bradford Cinema ……….

I would say they affirm my point.
As an excuse it is, Muslims aren't an ethnicity they're a religion
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Old 13-08-2022, 23:50   #19
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

BREAKING: Sir Salman Rushdie was stabbed about 12 times - including in the face and neck, a US district attorney's office has said. - Sky News

The wound in the facial area caused a puncture to Sir Salman's eye, the Chautauqua County District Attorney's Office said.

A wound to the abdomen caused a puncture of the author's liver.

There were also multiple further stab wounds to the abdomen and chest area.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-salma...-says-12672711
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

Oh my goodness that is a frenzied attack. Horrible obviously for him but for those who witnessed it also
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Old 14-08-2022, 00:25   #21
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As an excuse it is, Muslims aren't an ethnicity they're a religion
Not sure what excuse you’re referring to?

I’m talking about Muslims, regardless of ethnicity. Which part of my post is incorrect?

I asked JFman, and he couldn’t find anything!

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Oh my goodness that is a frenzied attack. Horrible obviously for him but for those who witnessed it also
Yes, but unfortunately not a random one.
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Old 14-08-2022, 00:43   #22
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Not sure what excuse you’re referring to?

I’m talking about Muslims, regardless of ethnicity. Which part of my post is incorrect?

I asked JFman, and he couldn’t find anything!

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Yes, but unfortunately not a random one.
Notably you didn't ask any of my questions either. Someone who thinks only white/Christian or secular countries/actors engaging in attacks is justified and others not is essentially on a par with the Iranians.

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Yes, but unfortunately not a random one.
Perhaps fortunately, it could have been worse if they were acting indiscriminately.
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Old 14-08-2022, 00:54   #23
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

Pretty sure its unfortunate whether its random or not, I dont see that randomness really matters.
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Old 14-08-2022, 01:03   #24
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

My only thought that a madman/terrorist acting indiscriminately would attack witnesses or passers by - essentially anyone they could find - and the scale of the event would have been much worse. Obviously if you are Salman Rushdie that's of little consolation.
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Notably you didn't ask any of my questions either. Someone who thinks only white/Christian or secular countries/actors engaging in attacks is justified and others not is essentially on a par with the Iranians.
I can’t work out what your position is!

Do you agree that this is an Islamist attack or not? Simple question. With a simple yes or no answer.
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I can’t work out what your position is!

Do you agree that this is an Islamist attack or not? Simple question. With a simple yes or no answer.
It's apparent from my previous answer to you.

As you can go back and see I merely opined it was an interesting distinction to draw because it implies that being an Islamist attack somehow affects the legitimacy of it. Which of course it doesn't. Well, I'd go as far as saying that but if you could offer a simple - at your level - yes or no answer on whether you agree I'd be grateful.

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Not sure what excuse you’re referring to?

I’m talking about Muslims, regardless of ethnicity. Which part of my post is incorrect?
Your talking about Muslims now, I thought you were talking about how the left see muslims as an ethnic minority which as an excuse for inaction against crimes is cobblers
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Re: Salman Rushdie is attacked

Seriously? Can we not for once turn another thread into a convoluted aggressive thread about some really pointless point of view which really has nothing to do with the original news story.
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It's apparent from my previous answer to you.

As you can go back and see I merely opined it was an interesting distinction to draw because it implies that being an Islamist attack somehow affects the legitimacy of it. Which of course it doesn't. Well, I'd go as far as saying that but if you could offer a simple - at your level - yes or no answer on whether you agree I'd be grateful.
What makes it worse is that it is a targeted Islamist attack on someone for something he wrote decades ago. An attack on free speech and freedom of expression values that islamists abhor.

If it was just a random act of violence, perhaps some solace could be sought that you just in the wrong place wrong time as some nut job and the chances of that ever being the case again are practically non-existent.

But no. There will always be the chance of another Islamist headcase showing up until Rushdie is killed.

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Your talking about Muslims now, I thought you were talking about how the left see muslims as an ethnic minority which as an excuse for inaction against crimes is cobblers
Oh no, you’re right, that was exactly my point. Which has been proven many times over.

Not as an “ethnic” group but as a minority group that is predominantly ethnic in make up.
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What makes it worse is that it is a targeted Islamist attack on someone for something he wrote decades ago. An attack on free speech and freedom of expression values that islamists abhor.

If it was just a random act of violence, perhaps some solace could be sought that you just in the wrong place wrong time as some nut job and the chances of that ever being the case again are practically non-existent.

But no. There will always be the chance of another Islamist headcase showing up until Rushdie is killed.

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Oh no, you’re right, that was exactly my point. Which has been proven many times over.

Not as an “ethnic” group but as a minority group that is predominantly ethnic in make up.
Not sure what you (or anyone) is arguing about, of course it was a radical Islamist psycho. There is no really debate to be had.
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