Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, Chris, if you consider that 10-minute birthday presentation by people he was surrounded by all the time during a quick break from work a ‘party’, you must have had a very hard childhood.

… and here comes the deflection. I have to admit this is poor even by your standards. You’ve had all afternoon.

The question is one of moral authority, and specifically whether a leader still has it after telling everyone to refrain from certain behaviour for the safety of the nation, then behaving that way themselves.

Does such a leader retain the moral right to govern, or to legislate for our behaviour?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I expect there to be absolutely no come back at all. They will just continue onwards until the next election. If the electorate make their feelings known at the ballot box in sufficient numbers then maybe we will have a change of government.

That may happen at the local elections, but the public will still vote Boris at the General, simply because he is the best candidate and he is achieving his goals as set out in the manifesto (modified due to Covid).

[papa smurf]

Rishi has paid the fine and is getting on with his job.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Didn't stop the Conservatives in 1940, or the Coalition in 1916…

Hardly comparable. Churchill was picked to stand up to Hitler, which Chamberlain refused to do, preferring appeasement.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Or…

"Sorry, guys - nice thought, but this is against the rules we’ve asked everyone else to follow, and as the people setting the rules, we have to set an example; please return to your desks".

You are so perfect, Hugh. Nice to see how you must never do anything that could ever be questioned in your life. So admirable. I think you should be the PM’s personal advisor to guarantee he never gets into trouble again.


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Originally Posted by Chris

… and here comes the deflection. I have to admit this is poor even by your standards. You’ve had all afternoon.

The question is one of moral authority, and specifically whether a leader still has it after telling everyone to refrain from certain behaviour for the safety of the nation, then behaving that way themselves.

Does such a leader retain the moral right to govern, or to legislate for our behaviour?

Oh, do come off it, Chris. I am merely pointing out that there are degrees of wrongdoing, and this is pretty borderline.

And I haven’t been thinking about this all afternoon. I don’t spend all day on this forum, I do have other things to do in my life.

If that incident was a blatant full-blown party, I would agree that this was a more serious issue, but looking at what actually happened, that puts the matter into proportion.

Those who are out to get him will kick up a huge fuss. But, sorry; it is rather pathetic.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are so perfect, Hugh. Nice to see how you must never do anything that could ever be questioned in your life. So admirable. I think you should be the PM’s personal advisor to guarantee he never gets into trouble again.

None of which addresses the actual issue. This is desperate stuff.

Just admit it - you went out on a limb defending Bozzer and he’s let you down. He’s been caught in a piece of sickening hypocrisy which everyone who had to forego a visit to a loved one’s death bed, or cancel a wedding, or hold a funeral without mourners, will find extremely hard to forgive. And all you seem to be worried about is being wrong on the internet.

Oh, do come off it, Chris. I am merely pointing out that there are degrees of wrongdoing, and this is pretty borderline.

And I haven’t been thinking about this all afternoon. I don’t spend all day on this forum, I do have other things to do in my life.

If that incident was a blatant full-blown party, I would agree that this was a more serious issue, but looking at what actually happened, that puts the matter into proportion.

Those who are out to get him will kick up a huge fuss. But, sorry; it is rather pathetic.

Deflect, deflect, deflect … Hugh gets your faux moralising, I get your faux outrage. Sorry but it won’t wash.

I repeat: this is nothing to do with where this sits on the standard scale of fixed penalty offences. It’s to do with his moral authority to lead at a time of crisis. Unless and until you can adequately answer in those terms, all of this is just hot air from someone who has a very hard time admitting they could ever be wrong about anything.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Johnson needs to move out and then we can move on.

On the big ticket items, he’s called it right. I see no need for him to go.

Originally Posted by chris

none of which addresses the actual issue. This is desperate stuff.

Just admit it - you went out on a limb defending bozzer and he’s let you down. He’s been caught in a piece of sickening hypocrisy which everyone who had to forego a visit to a loved one’s death bed, or cancel a wedding, or hold a funeral without mourners, will find extremely hard to forgive. And all you seem to be worried about is being wrong on the internet.



Deflect, deflect, deflect … hugh gets your faux moralising, i get your faux outrage. Sorry but it won’t wash.

I repeat: This is nothing to do with where this sits on the standard scale of fixed penalty offences. It’s to do with his moral authority to lead at a time of crisis. Unless and until you can adequately answer in those terms, all of this is just hot air from someone who has a very hard time admitting they could ever be wrong about anything.

👍🏻

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Originally Posted by pierre

on the big ticket items, he’s called it right. I see no need for him to go.

🙄🙄🙄

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Johnson is no Churchill. Far from it. He lacks gravitas.He’s a clown.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

On the big ticket items, he’s called it right. I see no need for him to go.

Really? Inflation running out of control, and the biggest cost of living crisis since the 2nd World War, NHS in terminal decline. Tax take at a record high. He's played an absolute blinder.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Really? Inflation running out of control, and the biggest cost of living crisis since the 2nd World War, NHS in terminal decline. Tax take at a record high. He's played an absolute blinder.

Well inflation is a global supply & demand issue coming out of COVID. Compounded by Ukraine but it was already on its way up before that.

Cost of living crisis is mainly inflation + fuel, fuel again compounded not caused by Ukraine, but I will say that this Governments (and the Wests) misguided drive for Net-Zero has helped cause the fuel cost crisis. We should have been in full fracking production by now, opening up new North Sea oil & gas fields ( I think just one gas one has opened) and had several new nuclear in the pipeline.

“Record” tax take, I don’t think it’s a record.

He got Brexit (and the mood of the country at the time) right.

He got Furlough right, it cost a lot, but saved many businesses and families (we do have to pay for that now though)

He got Vaccines right.

He got opening up right.

He (and previous Con Govs) got Ukraine right……so far.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

None of which addresses the actual issue. This is desperate stuff.

Just admit it - you went out on a limb defending Bozzer and he’s let you down.

Just like he let down all those past wives and the children he refuses to acknowledge in public

Originally Posted by Mr K

Really? Inflation running out of control, and the biggest cost of living crisis since the 2nd World War, NHS in terminal decline. Tax take at a record high. He's played an absolute blinder.

He has played a blinder, if you're a chum, party doner or via Lane member you've made off like a bandit under this parliament, for anyone else, not so much

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well inflation is a global supply & demand issue coming out of COVID. Compounded by Ukraine but it was already on its way up before that.

Cost of living crisis is mainly inflation + fuel, fuel again compounded not caused by Ukraine, but I will say that this Governments (and the Wests) misguided drive for Net-Zero has helped cause the fuel cost crisis. We should have been in full fracking production by now, opening up new North Sea oil & gas fields ( I think just one gas one has opened) and had several new nuclear in the pipeline.

“Record” tax take, I don’t think it’s a record.

He got Brexit (and the mood of the country at the time) right.

He got Furlough right, it cost a lot, but saved many businesses and families (we do have to pay for that now though)

He got Vaccines right.

He got opening up right.

He (and previous Con Govs) got Ukraine right……so far.

He got furlough wrong, any normal country paid it through peoples tax they didn't just leave it to the employers and bosses to be honest and end up 5 billion in the hole to fraud

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He got furlough wrong, any normal country paid it through peoples tax

I’m no expert. How would that work exactly?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Cost of living crisis is mainly inflation + fuel, fuel again compounded not caused by Ukraine, but I will say that this Governments (and the Wests) misguided drive for Net-Zero has helped cause the fuel cost crisis. We should have been in full fracking production by now, opening up new North Sea oil & gas fields ( I think just one gas one has opened) and had several new nuclear in the pipeline.

The energy crisis could also have been helped if our country wasn't so short-sighted with nuclear energy. Net Zero is fine but it's the lack of investing in alternatives for decades that's making it worse. Nuclear energy generates a lot of energy cleanly and would make us more independent. It's why France can soften the blow more than we can as they have a national energy supplier who owns nuclear power plants.

Same as the NHS and Social Care which the Government let run close to the limit each winter leaving no slack at all for something like COVID.

I think the Government got quite a lot of key decisions right during a crisis but was left in a difficult position because of their previous decisions.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

None of which addresses the actual issue. This is desperate stuff.

Just admit it - you went out on a limb defending Bozzer and he’s let you down. He’s been caught in a piece of sickening hypocrisy which everyone who had to forego a visit to a loved one’s death bed, or cancel a wedding, or hold a funeral without mourners, will find extremely hard to forgive. And all you seem to be worried about is being wrong on the internet.



Deflect, deflect, deflect … Hugh gets your faux moralising, I get your faux outrage. Sorry but it won’t wash.

I repeat: this is nothing to do with where this sits on the standard scale of fixed penalty offences. It’s to do with his moral authority to lead at a time of crisis. Unless and until you can adequately answer in those terms, all of this is just hot air from someone who has a very hard time admitting they could ever be wrong about anything.

Actually , the issue is whether this was really a party. It was nothing more than a small break from work. Just like in Kier Starmer and his beer on his break. What’s the difference?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Actually , the issue is whether this was really a party. It was nothing more than a small break from work. Just like in Kier Starmer and his beer on his break. What’s the difference?

A police fine?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Actually , the issue is whether this was really a party. It was nothing more than a small break from work. Just like in Kier Starmer and his beer on his break. What’s the difference?

The difference is Borris broke the law and Kier didn't.

You seem very keen to give us what you try to pass as absolute facts when it backs up your beliefs but when others try and do the same and you don't like it you want them to wait for the report etc.

Just accept you backed a loser, something most of us have known since the early pages of the thread.