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Old 11-11-2018, 19:25   #361
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Most people won't notice any difference whatsoever, they'll continue to interact with people from all walks of society in a polite, respectful and friendly manner.

It's the minority who cause problems for others who will have to improve their behaviour if they wish to use the internet.

What is it that you'd want to say that this would prevent you from saying?
What I am saying is that your approach is a step nearer to the thought police. A huge problem is that we all have a different opinion of what is acceptable.

If you draw the line at threatening behaviour, everyone understands that.

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It's not the different views etc that are the problem, it's about people treating each other with respect and kindness.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

They can only get tough on UK based people, people outside the UK can and will say "Fuff you"
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Old 11-11-2018, 20:21   #363
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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What I am saying is that your approach is a step nearer to the thought police. A huge problem is that we all have a different opinion of what is acceptable.

If you draw the line at threatening behaviour, everyone understands that.

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Starting with oneself, of course.
This is an excellent example of what I was referring to when I mentioned posts that were malicious in nature and purposely designed to stir things up. The accusation is also very ironic, given that at one point you were running rings around a member with learning difficulties who has since stopped posting.

You didn't answer my question as to what it is that you feel you would be prevented from saying when Ofcom (or whoever) clamp down on innapropriate postings.

Everyone does indeed have a different approach to what is acceptable, which is why fully trained and impartial moderators (paid for by the sites) will look at reports and make a decision as to what action, if any, needs to be taken (whilst taking into account that they have a duty of care to their users, some who may have specific needs or problems). This could be anything from dismissing the complaint, to giving a word of advice, to varying sanctions right through to legal action.

Any party who felt aggrieved would be able to appeal to a higher body or take legal action themselves, but most people are reasonable and I expect that the majority will behave with good grace.

The vast majority of people manage to use the internet without trying or actually causing problems for other (often vulnerable, disadvantaged or minority groups) in any way.

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They can only get tough on UK based people, people outside the UK can and will say "Fuff you"
It's intended that regulators from around the world will come together to perform a 'global assault' on those who use the internet innapropriately:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...buses-protect/

The term 'innapropriately' covers everything from grooming children, to fraud to the harrassment of (often vulnerable) people be it due to age, physical or mental disability, sexuality etc.

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Old 11-11-2018, 20:49   #364
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Anyone who genuinely thinks this will work successfully is either weapons-grade naive or lives with their head in the sand.
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Old 11-11-2018, 21:08   #365
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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This is an excellent example of what I was referring to when I mentioned posts that were malicious in nature and purposely designed to stir things up. The accusation is also very ironic, given that at one point you were running rings around a member with learning difficulties who has since stopped posting.

You didn't answer my question as to what it is that you feel you would be prevented from saying when Ofcom (or whoever) clamp down on innapropriate postings.

Everyone does indeed have a different approach to what is acceptable, which is why fully trained and impartial moderators (paid for by the sites) will look at reports and make a decision as to what action, if any, needs to be taken (whilst taking into account that they have a duty of care to their users, some who may have specific needs or problems). This could be anything from dismissing the complaint, to giving a word of advice, to varying sanctions right through to legal action.

Any party who felt aggrieved would be able to appeal to a higher body or take legal action themselves, but most people are reasonable and I expect that the majority will behave with good grace.

The vast majority of people manage to use the internet without trying or actually causing problems for other (often vulnerable, disadvantaged or minority groups) in any way.

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It's intended that regulators from around the world will come together to perform a 'global assault' on those who use the internet innapropriately:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...buses-protect/

The term 'innapropriately' covers everything from grooming children, to fraud to the harrassment of (often vulnerable) people be it due to age, physical or mental disability, sexuality etc.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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It's intended that regulators from around the world will come together to perform a 'global assault' on those who use the internet innapropriately:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...buses-protect/

The term 'innapropriately' covers everything from grooming children, to fraud to the harrassment of (often vulnerable) people be it due to age, physical or mental disability, sexuality etc.

Unless they are in Russia then Putin will say Get Stuffed.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Everyone does indeed have a different approach to what is acceptable, which is why fully trained and impartial moderators (paid for by the sites) will look at reports and make a decision as to what action, if any, needs to be taken
ROFL.

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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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This is an excellent example of what I was referring to when I mentioned posts that were malicious in nature and purposely designed to stir things up. The accusation is also very ironic, given that at one point you were running rings around a member with learning difficulties who has since stopped posting.

You didn't answer my question as to what it is that you feel you would be prevented from saying when Ofcom (or whoever) clamp down on innapropriate postings.

Everyone does indeed have a different approach to what is acceptable, which is why fully trained and impartial moderators (paid for by the sites) will look at reports and make a decision as to what action, if any, needs to be taken (whilst taking into account that they have a duty of care to their users, some who may have specific needs or problems). This could be anything from dismissing the complaint, to giving a word of advice, to varying sanctions right through to legal action.

Any party who felt aggrieved would be able to appeal to a higher body or take legal action themselves, but most people are reasonable and I expect that the majority will behave with good grace.

The vast majority of people manage to use the internet without trying or actually causing problems for other (often vulnerable, disadvantaged or minority groups) in any way.
Not so, Richard. Rather, this is an excellent demonstration of offence taken where none was intended.

I was merely pointing out that we should all practice what we preach.
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Not so, Richard. Rather, this is an excellent demonstration of offence taken where none was intended.

I was merely pointing out that we should all practice what we preach.
Of course we should, but you have a habit of repeatedly being offensive and then playing the innocent when pulled up about it. You seem to relish in being antagonistic and stirring things up, even to the point of referring to other members as "sparring partners". A debate doesn't have to be a fight of any sort.

It's interesting that you have still chosen not to answer my question as to what it is that you would be prevented from saying by this initiative.



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ROFL.

I look forward to you paying my salary.
I have offered to help fund the site, but there's no reason that moderators will have to be paid for hobbyist sites like this. I would expect the big players like Facebook etc to pay people for their services though.

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Of course we should, but you have a habit of repeatedly being offensive and then playing the innocent when pulled up about it. You seem to relish in being antagonistic and stirring things up, even to the point of referring to other members as "sparring partners". A debate doesn't have to be a fight of any sort.

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I have offered to help fund the site, but there's no reason that moderators will have to be paid for hobbyist sites like this. I would expect the big players like Facebook etc to pay people for their services though.
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Well, they will have to in order to attract professionally trained moderators. I doubt that people will be willing to work for them on a voluntary basis!
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Of course we should, but you have a habit of repeatedly being offensive and then playing the innocent when pulled up about it. You seem to relish in being antagonistic and stirring things up, even to the point of referring to other members as "sparring partners". A debate doesn't have to be a fight of any sort.

It's interesting that you have still chosen not to answer my question as to what it is that you would be prevented from saying by this initiative.



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I have offered to help fund the site, but there's no reason that moderators will have to be paid for hobbyist sites like this. I would expect the big players like Facebook etc to pay people for their services though.
Richard, I was not being offensive. Read my post again. Why would you find anything offensive in my words?

You pick up on my use of the words 'sparring partners' and make me sound as though I was picking a fight. What I was doing was talking about those who seemed always to disagree with me on things, to our mutual enjoyment.

I think maybe you should re-visit your own posts over time and see whether these fit the bill of being 'kind' to others.

I am not out to pick fights, I am here to debate topics. If you don't want to hear alternative points of view to your own, don't post, and steer away from discussion forums.

We need to be tolerent of each other.

In answer to your question, I have answered it by saying that it is threats and threatening behaviour that should be looked into by the police. Anything less than that should not be. I am really quite offended by your post, but it is not a police matter, is it?

By your definition, we wouldn't be able to have any meaningful debates on here and we would all lose out as a result.

If I disagree with you, it is not personal, so stop taking it personally. Please.
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Well, they will have to in order to attract professionally trained moderators. I doubt that people will be willing to work for them on a voluntary basis!
That assumes they will have to attract professionals trained moderators - I have seen no evidence there will be a legal requirement for them to do this (or for any sort of moderator...).

There will be a meeting next year to discuss issues - it’s a giant leap from that to what you’re proposing.
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