Britain outside the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

'My, oh my' what?

It's not hard, I even put it in bold for you

The economy’s “losers”, as Rees-Mogg and Davidson called them, who “do not excel in problem-solving or possess globally marketable skills”, would turn to nationalism and bitter nostalgia. They would “seek to thwart the movement of capital and people across borders

[Sephiroth]

I still don't see what's so "my, oh my" about that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I still don't see what's so "my, oh my" about that.

Course you don't, you probably hope it happens

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Course you don't, you probably hope it happens

It already has! It was the 2016 mission statement.

[ianch99]

Just a reminder of the damage this country has suffered since 2016:

Brexit Britain has ‘significantly underperformed’ other advanced economies, Goldman Sachs says

KEY POINTS

- The U.K. economy is worse off today than before Brexit, according to new analysis from Goldman Sachs.

- Britain’s decision to leave the European Union has hampered the economy to the tune of 5% versus other comparable countries, the estimates showed.

- The Wall Street bank attributed the shortfall to three key factors: reduced trade; weaker business investment; and lower immigration from the EU.

Other articles based on the same GS report:

Brexit has damaged U.K. economy with higher inflation and much weaker growth, Goldman Sachs says in new study

Goldman Says UK Economy Suffering ‘Long-Term’ Cost of Brexit

Remember, all this in exchange for a handful of "sovringty" beans ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Just a reminder of the damage this country has suffered since 2016:

Brexit Britain has ‘significantly underperformed’ other advanced economies, Goldman Sachs says



Other articles based on the same GS report:

Brexit has damaged U.K. economy with higher inflation and much weaker growth, Goldman Sachs says in new study

Goldman Says UK Economy Suffering ‘Long-Term’ Cost of Brexit

Remember, all this in exchange for a handful of "sovringty" beans ...

We can't have much additional sovereignty or this will breach the agreement for Northern Ireland. It becomes tick box sovereignty in return for a GDP loss of 5% or more.

With inflation at 4% compared to the Eurozone's 2.9% and the US's 3.1%, can we finally acknowledge that this is not down to Covid?

[Sephiroth]

It's down to bad government.

First post in this thread…

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So, now we have left the European Union. What now? How do we navigate our way ahead? How do we make the decision of the electorate work in practice?

Frankly, I am looking forward to making deals with all these other trading blocs around the world that are purely arrangements about trade and that don’t try to force you into some sort of political union.

Does anyone have any views on what our priorities should be? Personally, I think the next big deal should be with the US, and we need to bring in those free ports that the PM referred to a few months ago as soon as possible.

Should our farmers be gearing up to produce more now that we are free of the wasteful CAP? Which new markets should we be exploiting after the US?

So many questions...so many opportunities.

Trade deals: What has the UK done since Brexit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

Since Brexit, the UK has signed trade deals and agreements in principle with about 70 countries and one with the EU.

However, the majority of these are simply "rollovers" - meaning they copied the terms of deals the UK previously had when it was an EU member, rather than creating new trading arrangements.

And some of them are with countries with which the UK does very little trade.
A deal with Japan was signed in October 2020. It was the first that differed from the existing EU trade deal.

The Australia deal was the first trade agreement negotiated from scratch by the UK since it left the EU. UK farmers warned they could be undercut by cheap imports, which could cost jobs. However, the UK government insists the deal contains protections for the sector.

An agreement with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein was announced in June 2021 and builds on the previous agreement the UK had with these countries.

The UK signed a new deal with New Zealand on 28 February 2022.
New Zealand is a small trading partner, accounting for less than 0.2% of total UK trade.
While the deal is unlikely to boost the UK economy by much, it could lead to more New Zealand lamb being sold in the UK.

The UK has also agreed to join an existing trade agreement between 11 Pacific Rim nations. The government expects to become a member of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) in the second half of 2024.

Talks with India began in early 2022, although no deal has been reached.

And there has not been a deal agreed with the US, although it had been set as a priority in the Conservative 2019 manifesto.

Rishi Sunak said in June 2023 that a full free trade agreement had not in fact been a priority for either country "for a while now", although a more limited economic agreement called the Atlantic Declaration was signed.

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/uk-far...rexit-imports/

UK farmers are gearing up for more protests reminiscent of French-style blockades following a recent slow tractor protest at Dover.

The demonstration was aimed at highlighting concerns over low supermarket prices and the influx of cheap food imports resulting from post-Brexit trade deals.

Approximately 40 tractors and other farm vehicles caused disruptions around the Kent port for several hours by driving slowly and displaying signs with slogans such as “No More Cheap Imports”.

Kent farmers are set to convene again this week to discuss potential further action, with the possibility of other campaigns joining in fueled by widespread discontent among farmers…

… The trigger for the recent protest includes concerns over tariff-free wheat from Ukraine and cheap lamb from New Zealand flooding the market, exacerbating the challenges faced by UK farmers. Brexit-related complexities in exporting goods and perceived lack of change in importing procedures have compounded the issue.

I’m sure we’ll have a Trade Deal with the USA by 2035…

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's down to bad government.

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear*



*You can however make a very interesting novelty luggage tag

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's down to bad government.

Oh right, its not due to remoaners anymore or the EU being mean to us, it's down to bad government of which there have been 5 incarnations of since the vote, how many more governments have to come and go before it's down to something else?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Just a reminder of the damage this country has suffered since 2016:

Brexit Britain has ‘significantly underperformed’ other advanced economies, Goldman Sachs says



Other articles based on the same GS report:

Brexit has damaged U.K. economy with higher inflation and much weaker growth, Goldman Sachs says in new study

Goldman Says UK Economy Suffering ‘Long-Term’ Cost of Brexit

Remember, all this in exchange for a handful of "sovringty" beans ...

Waargh, Waargh, Waargh.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's down to bad government.

After so many governments, that particular excuse for under-performing against our peers has aged more quickly than the oft-quoted Covid one.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Oh right, its not due to remoaners anymore or the EU being mean to us, it's down to bad government of which there have been 5 incarnations of since the vote, how many more governments have to come and go before it's down to something else?

You are wasting your time. If you believe the dogma so much, you cannot row back and accept the reality. Instead, you kick on and dig deeper. You have to, to do anything else is a massive loss of face. You then end up in a post-truth cult.

Look at all the grifters on GB News, they know their time in the sun is ending. They will end up eaten by their own - Farage is coming for the Tories that survive the cull. Enjoy!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Oh right, its not due to remoaners anymore or the EU being mean to us, it's down to bad government of which there have been 5 incarnations of since the vote, how many more governments have to come and go before it's down to something else?

Don't be silly. I've never said it was down to Remoaners.
They are just whinging annoyances. The government has the means to make Brexit succeed.

[Sirius]

I have NEVER voted for Labour my whole life and i am 64 this year, however considering that Brexit has been a complete and utter *ukup. If Labour promised a referendum on rejoining the EU i MIGHT just be tempted to vote for them. Lets face it we will have to put up with a Labour government next as the present government could not organise a piss up in a brewery