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Old 12-08-2022, 22:55   #91
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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Search Warrant & Property Receipt.

https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploa...54.17.0_12.pdf

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Its going to take a while to get through that lot.
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Old 13-08-2022, 00:07   #92
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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Which Biden explicitly said donny wasn't getting because of his erratic behaviour
He may have said it publicly, doesn’t mean he acted on it, knowing Joe he probably fell asleep anyway.

We’ll see what happens but Crooked Hillary kept classified material on her private server, that was said at the time, could have easily been hacked by foreign agents and she quite literally got away with it.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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The state department has completed its years-long internal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.
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The justice department’s inspector general said FBI specialists did not find evidence that the server had been hacked, with one forensics agent saying he felt “fairly confident that there wasn’t an intrusion”.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-donald-trump/

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The National Archives in February said it had recovered 15 boxes of presidential records that former President Donald Trump had taken to his home in Mar-a-Lago. This was a breach of the Presidential Records Act.

Some of the documents were marked classified national security.

Hillary Clinton used a private email address for exchanges with her State Department staff. In three instances, email chains included information with ambiguous classification markings.
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A key difference between the two

Bradley Moss, a Washington-based lawyer who works on national security cases, said the cases of Clinton and Trump are significantly different.

"Trump took properly marked hard copy classified documents from the White House, shipped them to Florida, and stored them in an unsecured location at his residence," Moss said.

The presence of classified information in Clinton’s emails was less obvious.

"The e-mails were never marked as classified because these were communications from unclassified government accounts," Moss said.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

Irrelevant.

The fact remains. She admitted to her wrong doing. She potentially violated several statutes on storage of classified material, she should have been prosecuted, the laws exists and she clearly broke them, only the FBI gave her a get out of jail free card, no different to this current case, only Trump is a former president, that still has, high level clearances and access, to top level classified material, access the level he had that she never had.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

It's like a religous cult the way some people defend Trump whatever he says or does. Its as if if he's found out to be a lying fraud then that undermines themselves too.

Concrete evidence of wrongdoing ? Then it must be 'fake' or planted. Witnesses must be liar's. It's all Deep States doing, not the holy one... Change the subject to Clinton, Biden, Yogi Bear, anyone...
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Irrelevant.

The fact remains. She admitted to her wrong doing. She potentially violated several statutes on storage of classified material, she should have been prosecuted, the laws exists and she clearly broke them, only the FBI gave her a get out of jail free card, no different to this current case, only Trump is a former president, that still has, high level clearances and access, to top level classified material, access the level he had that she never had.
He didn't have permission to keep it in his house.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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It's like a religous cult the way some people defend Trump whatever he says or does. Its as if if he's found out to be a lying fraud then that undermines themselves too.

Concrete evidence of wrongdoing ? Then it must be 'fake' or planted. Witnesses must be liar's. It's all Deep States doing, not the holy one... Change the subject to Clinton, Biden, Yogi Bear, anyone...
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

Whatever happens, to some, it'll go down as one of the biggest conspiracies of all time up there with the faked moon landings and the US planting explosives in the world trade centre to help bring them down after the planes hit.

But most of realise that Donald has been caught out and his downfall is his arrogance. What anyone else did or didn't do or get away with is irrelevant, unless they were in cahoots with Donald then their crimes can't be connected - it's like saying all burglars were in on the same job so should be punished accordingly.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

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He didn't have permission to keep it in his house.
That's the key issue here.
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Old 13-08-2022, 11:30   #100
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It's like a religous cult the way some people defend Trump whatever he says or does. Its as if if he's found out to be a lying fraud then that undermines themselves too.

Concrete evidence of wrongdoing ? Then it must be 'fake' or planted. Witnesses must be liar's. It's all Deep States doing, not the holy one... Change the subject to Clinton, Biden, Yogi Bear, anyone...
Wind your neck in, the only pathetic cult you are in, is the misery guts one. Also, it’s not about defending Trump, it’s about the rule of law and the selective application of it depending on who it is.

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He didn't have permission to keep it in his house.
Neither did Hillary Clinton, so your point is moot.

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That's the key issue here.
No it’s not, Hillary Clinton did not have permission to have a private email server that she kept classified material on, it’s several violations on the law regarding it. Yet she did not get prosecuted.

Yet again, we have the same folk applying law breaking only when it suits, because of Trump derangement syndrome, no doubt.

Pathetic.
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Neither did Hillary Clinton, so your point is moot.
No it isn't, that's what I am saying. There isn't a difference between what they've been accused of doing and the subsequent requirement for the FBI to investigate. Clinton was e-mails, Trump is physical files. Clinton's investigation is over and Trump is early days so we don't know what, if anything, he'll actually has.

Both of them were accused of keeping classified (in Trump's case there seem to be a few 'top secret') files after office.

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No it’s not, Hillary Clinton did not have permission to have a private email server that she kept classified material on, it’s several violations on the law regarding it. Yet she did not get prosecuted.
Neither has Trump yet. It depends what is found.
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Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate

What Hillary didn’t or didn’t do is irrelevant to Trump. If he’s broke the law he’s broke the law. Anything else is a distraction or politicising it.

If the rule of law has been poorly applied in the past that’s not a get out of jail free card for Trump or his supporters.

If “ah but Hilliary” is the new “ah but Starmer” this could be long, circuitous thread ignoring the facts.

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No it isn't, that's what I am saying. There isn't a difference between what they've been accused of doing and the subsequent requirement for the FBI to investigate. Clinton was e-mails, Trump is physical files. Clinton's investigation is over and Trump is early days so we don't know what, if anything, he'll actually has.
There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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What Hillary didn’t or didn’t do is irrelevant to Trump. If he’s broke the law he’s broke the law. Anything else is a distraction or politicising it.

If the rule of law has been poorly applied in the past that’s not a get out of jail free card for Trump or his supporters.

If “ah but Hilliary” is the new “ah but Starmer” this could be long, circuitous thread ignoring the facts.
You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
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There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
But that's life Mick, sometimes it's fair and sometimes it isn't. I know it's on a different scale but sometimes you'll get a talking to for speeding and sometimes you'll get a fine.
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There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
You know Donny changed that law in 2018, it's a much more serious offence now because of him
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