General : Changes to Virgin TV (2021)

[TimeLord2018]

Originally Posted by cheekyangus

Sky 1 showcases sport and new movies occasionally, it doing so didn't stop Sky Sports Mix existing.

And Sky Sports Mix is viewed as a home for Women's Sports, also tending to show things that aren't on the other Sky Sports channels, get chopped up and not shown uninterrupted, and things that get relegated behind their Red Button streams. It's not without purpose.

There's no indication that Sky Showcase is going to show any more sport or movies than Sky 1 currently does.

I noticed Sky Showcase is showing a WSL game - Man Utd Vs Reading on 3rd of September.

[RichardCoulter]

Are CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito owned by the same company? Do they have any other channels on Sky/Virgin? What are their ratings like?

A source has told me that Sky are thinking of dropping these and introducing their own channel on Sky, Virgin and Now TV. The working title 'Sky kids' would be a 24 hour channel for 6 month to 7 year old children.

If these are owned by the same company and they don't have other linear channels on Sky/Virgin (bar +1's and HD variants), perhaps these are the next to go streaming instead of linear??

Perhaps Sky are to kick them out of the Sub Club if the ratings are poor and put the carriage costs that are saved into their new kids channel??

Have you heard anything Legendkiller?

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Are CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito owned by the same company?

They are from old Turner Broadcasting System, which is now a part of the Warner Media empire.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by epsilon

They are from old Turner Broadcasting System, which is now a part of the Warner Media empire.

Thanks. If this comes to fruition, I don't suppose that there's anything to stop VM continuing to carry them as well as adding Sky Kids, unless it's Warner Media that's closing them in linear channel form.

I've since been given the following information:

- Sky Kids already exists on Sky via Boxsets on VOD only. It's said that they didn't launch it as a linear channel because of their joint venture agreement with Viacom/Nickelodeon UK.

[TimeLord2018]

They also own TCM and Cartoon Network

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Thanks. If this comes to fruition, I don't suppose that there's anything to stop VM continuing to carry them as well as adding Sky Kids, unless it's Warner Media that's closing them in linear channel form.

I've since been given the following information:

- Sky Kids already exists on Sky via Boxsets on VOD only. It's said that they didn't launch it as a linear channel because of their joint venture agreement with Viacom/Nickelodeon UK.

What percentage of Nickelodeon do they own unless they're planning to sell it , Sky Comedy launched although they only own 25% of Comedy Central UK

[cheekyangus]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Are CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito owned by the same company? Do they have any other channels on Sky/Virgin? What are their ratings like?

TCM aka Turner Classic Movies and Cartoon Network are the missing ones from those you mention.

CNN isn't mentioned on BARB, so I've only mentioned other below.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

A source has told me that Sky are thinking of dropping these and introducing their own channel on Sky, Virgin and Now TV. The working title 'Sky kids' would be a 24 hour channel for 6 month to 7 year old children.

If these are owned by the same company and they don't have other linear channels on Sky/Virgin (bar +1's and HD variants), perhaps these are the next to go streaming instead of linear??

Perhaps Sky are to kick them out of the Sub Club if the ratings are poor and put the carriage costs that are saved into their new kids channel??

Have you heard anything Legendkiller?

Sky Kids brand already exists, but it's On-demand rather than a channel.

6 months to 7 yrs old is mostly a younger demographic than Boomerang is for, I'd imagine it's more 5-10yrs with it's lineup including the likes of Tom & Jerry, Scooby Doo and Looney Tunes (though many adults would happily still watch those). Cartoonito is apparently targeting 2-6yrs according to a web search.

I'd imagine they might go streaming-only when HBO Max (or its equivalent, maybe the branding will have changed by then) eventually arrives when Sky's content deal expires.

Ratings: 4 Week Share in 2nd-8th August data.

TCM 0.16
Cartoon Network 0.14
Cartoonito 0.13
Boomerang 0.09

Nick Jr 0.23
Nick Jr 2 0.15
Nickelodeon 0.08
Nicktoons 0.07

Tiny Pop 0.28
Pop 0.22
Pop Max 0.02

CITV 0.18

CBeebies 0.82
CBBC 0.23

I've added all the other kids channels as a comparison Richard, and grouped them by broadcaster.

I've also randomly picked a week when the Disney channels were still around (20th-26th January 2020) to illustrate what level they were getting.

Disney Jr 0.09
Disney Channel 0.06
Disney XD 0.02

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018

They also own TCM and Cartoon Network

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What percentage of Nickelodeon do they own unless they're planning to sell it , Sky Comedy launched although they only own 25% of Comedy Central UK

I'm afraid I have no idea how much of Nickelodeon that they own. Yes, you're right about the comedy channels, maybe any agreement that they had had come to an end??

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus

TCM aka Turner Classic Movies and Cartoon Network are the missing ones from those you mention.

CNN isn't mentioned on BARB, so I've only mentioned other below.


Sky Kids brand already exists, but it's On-demand rather than a channel.

6 months to 7 yrs old is mostly a younger demographic than Boomerang is for, I'd imagine it's more 5-10yrs with it's lineup including the likes of Tom & Jerry, Scooby Doo and Looney Tunes (though many adults would happily still watch those). Cartoonito is apparently targeting 2-6yrs according to a web search.

I'd imagine they might go streaming-only when HBO Max (or its equivalent, maybe the branding will have changed by then) eventually arrives when Sky's content deal expires.

Ratings: 4 Week Share in 2nd-8th August data.

TCM 0.16
Cartoon Network 0.14
Cartoonito 0.13
Boomerang 0.09

Nick Jr 0.23
Nick Jr 2 0.15
Nickelodeon 0.08
Nicktoons 0.07

Tiny Pop 0.28
Pop 0.22
Pop Max 0.02

CITV 0.18

CBeebies 0.82
CBBC 0.23

I've added all the other kids channels as a comparison Richard, and grouped them by broadcaster.

I've also randomly picked a week when the Disney channels were still around (20th-26th January 2020) to illustrate what level they were getting.

Disney Jr 0.09
Disney Channel 0.06
Disney XD 0.02

Cheers, I was just about to post these figures/a post from another forum member 'Omnidirectional':


'Here are the latest BARB figures for the pay kids channels (Monthly reach in 000s)

Nick Jr - 4,302
Nick Jr 2 - 2,600
Boomerang - 2,378
Nickelodeon - 2,359
Cartoon Network - 2,305
Cartoonito - 2,249
Nicktoons - 1,785

if anything, Nicktoons is underperforming, Nick Jr is on a roll, and the rest are around the same figure.'

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I'm afraid I have no idea how much of Nickelodeon that they own. Yes, you're right about the comedy channels, maybe any agreement that they had had come to an end??

Maybe they will roll their existing joint ventures with Viacom CBS into the new ones.

[cheekyangus]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I'm afraid I have no idea how much of Nickelodeon that they own. Yes, you're right about the comedy channels, maybe any agreement that they had had come to an end??

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Cheers, I was just about to post these figures/a post from another forum member 'Omnidirectional':


'Here are the latest BARB figures for the pay kids channels (Monthly reach in 000s)

Nick Jr - 4,302
Nick Jr 2 - 2,600
Boomerang - 2,378
Nickelodeon - 2,359
Cartoon Network - 2,305
Cartoonito - 2,249
Nicktoons - 1,785

if anything, Nicktoons is underperforming, Nick Jr is on a roll, and the rest are around the same figure.'

Bear in mind that all the various channels cater for different audiences, so live-action, some animation, some for pre-schoolers, some with an educational slant, some pure entertainment.

When you aren't trying to appeal to the same people they really aren't fair to compare. Underperformance is fairer to compare to channels that are trying to get the same audience rather than part of the same broadcaster.

Preschooler channels rate better than school-age targeted channels. Both are fair targets, older kids are just watching less TV these days.

[TimeLord2018]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sky Replay is closing, Media Boy.

Turns out isn't from reliable source on DS ,
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-july-2021/p22


I am guessing Sky bought the FOX EPG slot for Sky Max then.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018

Turns out isn't from reliable source on DS ,
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-july-2021/p22


I am guessing Sky bought the FOX EPG slot for Sky Max then.

Thanks, TimeLord, but which post states that Sky Replay will continue after 1 September? I have seen no credible information anywhere to confirm that.

[TimeLord2018]

It was there , it seems several posts have been removed since I last checked , also mentioned Sky Showcase will have a +1.

Also If Sky Replay was closing I doubt it would have normal listings after 1st of September by now.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018

It was there , it seems several posts have been removed since I last checked , also mentioned Sky Showcase will have a +1.

Also If Sky Replay was closing I doubt it would have normal listings after 1st of September by now.

Yes, I noticed that as well. Thank you for the info’.

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Are CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito owned by the same company? Do they have any other channels on Sky/Virgin? What are their ratings like?

A source has told me that Sky are thinking of dropping these and introducing their own channel on Sky, Virgin and Now TV. The working title 'Sky kids' would be a 24 hour channel for 6 month to 7 year old children.

If these are owned by the same company and they don't have other linear channels on Sky/Virgin (bar +1's and HD variants), perhaps these are the next to go streaming instead of linear??

Perhaps Sky are to kick them out of the Sub Club if the ratings are poor and put the carriage costs that are saved into their new kids channel??

Have you heard anything Legendkiller?

Warner Media who own Cartoon Network, CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito are in the middle of being sold to Discovery.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Media Boy

Warner Media who own Cartoon Network, CNN, Boomerang & Cartoonito are in the middle of being sold to Discovery.

Merging with Discovery - WarnerMedia are the bigger company.