Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Deko]

Yeah I think Mr Hanff alluded to some info he can't release as its under NDA, i PM'd him about it.

But toms friday and maybe it will become clear then.


Who else has FOI requests outstanding ?

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Deko

Yeah I think Mr Hanff alluded to some info he can't release as its under NDA, i PM'd him about it.

But toms friday and maybe it will become clear then.


Who else has FOI requests outstanding ?

Me, but I dont expect as much info as Pete and it may be duplicated.

[Wildie]

Originally Posted by icsys

Joking aside... where does everyone stand now in light of this information?
(With still more to come)

eyes are in over load they rolling and can`t keep up.

[vicz]

I think the proposed webwise interstitial sign up page shows exactly what the intentions and motivations are of phorm and BT. Does it look as if it is designed to allow an end user to make an informed choice about staying subscribed to a 'service' which trades away some privacy for the (dubious) benefits of 'less irrelevant advertising'? Or does it look like something designed to mislead users into signing up for something they don't understand, without knowing what they are committing to or what the implications are? Clearly it is designed to trick the unwary into participating. In fact is exactly like the sort of EULA fine print found in spyware products such as those with which 121media and Ertugral made their ill gotten gains.

So if anyone ever again tries to portray webwise as something good for the consumer, just show them the page, and then lets see them defend it.

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

"reduces the number of irrelevant adverts you see on participating websites"

that would suggest to people they will actually see fewer adverts, NOT the same number just targeted at them due to spying on there browsing

that is just down right misleading

peter

[popper]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Picture of the interstitial BT planned to use.

Look at the level of information given about profiling, and the size of the [YES] [NO] buttons.

Also confirms, if you delete your cookies, you get prompted to opt in or out again (ie, you CAN'T opt out entirely)

If you live in Kingston, phone BT, ask for your MAC code.

that is in NO WAY ,SHAPE OR FORM, in line with any concept of Informed consent from any legal system anywere

that is and advert for inadequate phishing protection you dont need as you already have it in your default browser and that is in its best light.

its CON trick, a SHAM......


there is not mention in any shape or form, that by clicking that yes/on link YOU are infact agreeing to something totally unrelated to the text on that page, your right to privacy, and potentially signing away your ability to profit from your unique copyrighted datastream property.

at no point do they even point out your every web click, and page visited will be collected,collated, processed, and perhaps after all that, finally anonymised and sent to a "derivative work" that you can not then finantially profit from.

that page wouldnt pass go in any court of law....but it might make you a few quid after you take them to court.

so they want you to click yes, and that gives them the right to do something totally
unrelated to the text you have read and agreed to.

fine, if thats the case , by allowing said user to click yes they agree that by placing a BT,webwise or any other DPI associated cookie in any form,on the agreeing users machine, BT also agree to pay said user £100 an hour or nearlest hour which ever is the greater, plus VAT and all delivery charges, in advance, and in cash ,delivered to the acount holders front door no later than 9am, , for their storage per single cookie on said users machine for starters, you can make your own rules up as you go, if the commercial pirates for profit can make it up, so can the paying users.

[Wildie]

print some off and take a on the street view by asking anyone what it means to them also needs a online one as well.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Wildie

print some off and take a on the street view by asking anyone what it means to them also needs a online one as well.

Very good idea that image needs posting on as many forums as possible asking people to say what they think they are agreeing to if they clicked to accept?

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Florence

Very good idea that image needs posting on as many forums as possible asking people to say what they think they are agreeing to if they clicked to accept?

Permission to link Sir! ??
(Thinks about bandwidth usage due to the amount of hits to dephormation)

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by bluecar1

"reduces the number of irrelevant adverts you see on participating websites"

that would suggest to people they will actually see fewer adverts, NOT the same number just targeted at them due to spying on there browsing

that is just down right misleading

peter

just noticed the bottom line "if you delete your cookies you will be asked to switch on BT WebWise again"

so they will just badger you until you give in

peter

[OldBear]

Re: that Weblies image:

I'm bothered by that line that says

...your data will be held in line with an amended BT Privacy Policy...

If this is so, why do they keep insisting "no data will be kept or stored anywhere", and "that it's all deleted immediately the page you request loads", etc? What data are they talking about?

OB

Incidentally, isn't that PR firm mentioned above the one that had their people posting in forums all over the place in the guide, PhormTechTeam? I'm sure it's the same lot that BadPhorm outed, (could be wrong, though).

[Florence]

Originally Posted by icsys

Permission to link Sir! ??
(Thinks about bandwidth usage due to the amount of hits to badphorm)

perhaps a few copies on a few different websites I host one for a while or any one with plenty of bandwidth willing to host a copy so we can get the message out.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Wildie

is that interception before the choice without consent in the first instance.

Yes, the second they make Your Unique datastream pass to that Deep Packet Inspection/Interception device , and power it up , it will be collecting your data, no two ways about it.

it is Interception Before choice or agreement to allow them to intercept your data property.

and as we all know, that is against RIPA, DPA, Copyright, etc, the second they plug it in ,power it up, and the observing ICO team instantly fail, Phorm fail, and BT fail.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by icsys

Permission to link Sir! ??
(Thinks about bandwidth usage due to the amount of hits to badphorm)

You're welcome to link to those images. They're hosted on Dephormation at present.

I need to compile a page by page electronic version of the dossier so you can read the same horror story, but I could do with a batch scanner.

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Originally Posted by OldBear

Incidentally, isn't that PR firm mentioned above the one that had their people posting in forums all over the place in the guide, PhormTechTeam? I'm sure it's the same lot that BadPhorm outed, (could be wrong, though).

You're right. Its Citigate Dewe Rogerson.

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Originally Posted by Deko

Who else has FOI requests outstanding ?

I'm waiting on a Home Office FoI, due early July.

July is shaping up to be 'interesting'. Don't go on holiday without a laptop.

And if you're on BT, particularly under Kingston RAS, get your MAC code and move now.

[davidb24v]

Originally Posted by Florence

perhaps a few copies on a few different websites I host one for a while or any one with plenty of bandwidth willing to host a copy so we can get the message out.

ImageCave link - "Unlimited" bandwidth, apparently. Is that like my "Unlimited" 20Mb VM cable broadband then?

Dave