Post-Brexit Thread

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Are you saying there are none in the Boro? There must be.

No, I'm saying it's not a ghost town thats all

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ntluser

Let's not forget that if you really do not want a vote you are free to remove yourself from the voting list. This won't affect the percentages as by not registering you will not be eligible to vote.

As I only put myself on the voting list for the referendum I will be doing exactly that. The Last time I was on the voting list was 1975 for exactly the same reason.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by pip08456

As I only put myself on the voting list for the referendum I will be doing exactly that. The Last time I was on the voting list was 1975 for exactly the same reason.

Thanks for posting that. I guess, for whatever reasons, you really do not like voting, but at least by removing yourself from the list the only person you are affecting is yourself.

28% of the electorate did register and for one reason or another did not vote despite the government ( or local council) paying to print out and distribute voting cards for voters attending polling stations or voting papers in the case of postal voters.

Though it's probably just a small amount it could have been saved if people registered to vote who were not intending to vote simply did what you were considerate enough to do and de-registered themselves next time there was a vote.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by martyh

I work on the council estates in the N.E and to be honest the regeneration money is targeted at the wrong areas ,you've just proved as much with your examples above .Newcastle ,Sunderland,Hartlepool and Middlesborough all have had millions and millions thrown at them and as far as the ordinary bloke that lost his job when the factories or the docks closed is concerned it's all useless.When the Redcar steel works is pulled down what's the betting that the people who used to work there get didley squat apart from a nice view of some high end housing they have no hope of ever owning .

Newcastle/Gateshead have had millions thrown at it and look at the changes, such as the Sage etc. Sunderland has had a lot lot less. Hartlepool and Middlesbrough less so.

There was very little regen money in the developments that I mentioned.

I kind of take issue with the comments regarding the steel works. look at the money that has been recently spent on Redcar seafront, again geared to generate revenue into the town, what happened, oh yes some little twonk set light to it.

Whilst the steelworks closing is a massive blow it's not unrecoverable from, look at Nissan in Sunderland and to some extent Hitachi at Newton Aycliffe

People have got to make the change happen for themselves. 18 months ago I had a choice of stay at earning 30k (not a bad wage) or commuting to York which I do now and earning significantly more. I then spend that money in the local economy (my car and my fiancees car both came from a local independent car dealer) We shop locally where possible

The hours that I put in now mean I've been able to afford a house at Acklam Hall for myself and my fiancee. Acklam Hall has the operations director for GSK, and multiple consultants for James Cook hospital live there, all of these calibre individuals are paying money into the local economy via things such as council tax, as are the residents of the Church Lane/Low Lane developments

You can also add in the new Persimmon development up by Cleveland Police, the one opposite Stewarts pack and the upcoming expansion of Coulby Newham and Ingleby Barwick.


None of these are cheap so money must be getting pulled into the economy from somewhere surely?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by techguyone

It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

Sometimes I despair.

Originally Posted by Mr K

There shouldn't be compulsory voting but we could make it a hell of a lot easier to vote, and actively try and get everyone on the register.

Why can't we vote online, this is the 21st Century ? Security is just an excuse; postal voting and just turning up at the polling station and saying a say a name is no less secure. The changes the Govt. have made recently resulted on many young not being on the register. There may be a political advantage for them in this, but it worked against them in the referendum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rm-voting-sys/

Nothing wrong with compulsory voting for referendums ,it is after all only the government asking for your opinion ,it's not a legally binding vote as an election is .If there where a "none of the above" option for elections then i probably wouldn't have an objection to them becoming compulsory either.

Online voting is no where near secure enough imo ,postal and in person voting we have at the moment is probably the best we can do for now .

As for those young people you say where disadvantaged by the registration changes ,well they could have taken 30 secs out of their day to register on line ,there's been plenty of time and plenty of public awareness campaigns to make people aware.Of course for that to work they have to be bothered in the first place

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why do you keep harping on about compulsory voting? We do not live in a dictatorship.

Voting is a right each and everyone has the option to excersise or not.

No-one will tell me I have to vote. That is my choice.

Unless you live in Australia where voting is compulsory.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

As I only put myself on the voting list for the referendum I will be doing exactly that. The Last time I was on the voting list was 1975 for exactly the same reason.

And which way did you vote in 1975. I voted NO.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Unless you live in Australia where voting is compulsory..

and a lot more besides it's not as rare as some may think

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Newcastle/Gateshead have had millions thrown at it and look at the changes, such as the Sage etc. Sunderland has had a lot lot less. Hartlepool and Middlesbrough less so.

There was very little regen money in the developments that I mentioned.

I kind of take issue with the comments regarding the steel works. look at the money that has been recently spent on Redcar seafront, again geared to generate revenue into the town, what happened, oh yes some little twonk set light to it.

Whilst the steelworks closing is a massive blow it's not unrecoverable from, look at Nissan in Sunderland and to some extent Hitachi at Newton Aycliffe

People have got to make the change happen for themselves. 18 months ago I had a choice of stay at earning 30k (not a bad wage) or commuting to York which I do now and earning significantly more. I then spend that money in the local economy (my car and my fiancees car both came from a local independent car dealer) We shop locally where possible

The hours that I put in now mean I've been able to afford a house at Acklam Hall for myself and my fiancee. Acklam Hall has the operations director for GSK, and multiple consultants for James Cook hospital live there, all of these calibre individuals are paying money into the local economy via things such as council tax, as are the residents of the Church Lane/Low Lane developments

You can also add in the new Persimmon development up by Cleveland Police, the one opposite Stewarts pack and the upcoming expansion of Coulby Newham and Ingleby Barwick.


None of these are cheap so money must be getting pulled into the economy from somewhere surely?

Oh I say old chap. there are flats by the river in Sunderland like that where some of the Sunderland players live or lived.

[Mr K]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ding-french-p/

You reap what you sow. As well as a predicted surge of migrants before we shut the gates, looks like a few thousand happy campers will be joining us from over the channel. That'll be nice, handy for fruit picking in Kent anyway.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ding-french-p/

You reap what you sow. As well as a predicted surge of migrants before we shut the gates, looks like a few thousand happy campers will be joining us from over the channel. That'll be nice, handy for fruit picking in Kent anyway.

I expect that to happen too but surely that's a good reason for invoking A50 and then maybe we can use some kind of emergency brake to prevent that happening.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ding-french-p/

You reap what you sow. As well as a predicted surge of migrants before we shut the gates, looks like a few thousand happy campers will be joining us from over the channel. That'll be nice, handy for fruit picking in Kent anyway.

Sorry but that looks so funny sow instead of sew.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I expect that to happen too but surely that's a good reason for invoking A50 and then maybe we can use some kind of emergency brake to prevent that happening.

Emergency brake? Lol. Think our emegency brake has been dumped in the channel. We have no power or influence to make demands any longer.

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ding-french-p/

You reap what you sow. As well as a predicted surge of migrants before we shut the gates, looks like a few thousand happy campers will be joining us from over the channel. That'll be nice, handy for fruit picking in Kent anyway.

Few years before anything like that could happen if it happens at all and by then Brexit negotiations will be well under way ,so no panic.

[techguyone]

@BigBrian:

It is sow, not sew, he's not fixing clothes, he's sowing seeds.. (in the metaphor anyway)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by techguyone

@BigBrian:

It is sow, not sew, he's not fixing clothes, he's sowing seeds.. (in the metaphor anyway)

clever sow and sew