27-11-2023, 22:22
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Oh! Sorry, so there have been anti-Hamas marches in Gaza? Thanks Andrew, do you have any details?
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If there were they’d probably get bombed by Israel. The odds of Hamas being present at such a march would be so high if hospitals, churches and refugee camps aren’t safe despite international conventions there’s no reason to expect safety from Israeli bombardment at an anti-Hamas march.
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27-11-2023, 22:28
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Oh! Sorry, so there have been anti-Hamas marches in Gaza? Thanks Andrew, do you have any details?
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It's probably a full-time job being your Google assistant but I'm happy to oblige on this occasion. 
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Protests against Hamas reemerge in the streets of Gaza, but will they persist?
Demonstrations have again broken out against the terror group that rules over impoverished enclave, though such movements have been short-lived in the past.
On July 30, thousands of people throughout the Gaza Strip took to the streets demanding better living conditions, in a rare display of public anger against the Hamas regime. The following Friday, August 4, hundreds of people rallied again in various parts of the enclave.
Protesters were rallying under the slogan “We want to live” — the same slogan used in the last round of protests in March-April 2019. The demonstrations have been organized by an anonymous Instagram account under the name “Al-Virus Al-Sakher,” or “The Mocking Virus,” which has 160,000 followers. Various anti-Hamas activists in exile have joined the campaign, urging Gazans to take to the streets and demand a better standard of living.
Given the near-complete absence of free media in the Strip, it is difficult for outside analysts to gauge how many people participated in the latest round of protests. According to videos circulating on social media, numbers seemed to be significantly larger in the first demonstration than in the second, when Hamas’s security apparatus adopted preventive measures...
Protests long in the making
Popular discontent with the Hamas regime in Gaza has been simmering for years. Since the group wrested control of the coastal strip from the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority in 2007, large-scale protests have taken place on several occasions, most recently in April 2015, January 2017 and again in 2019. Each time, protests were repressed by Hamas security forces and did not lead to any significant changes for the local population.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/protes...-they-persist/
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27-11-2023, 22:44
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Or die as second class citizens, having their property belongings seized by Israelis, as currently seen in settlements. |
20% of Israel’s population is Palestinian living freely in Israel.
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Not to the dead Palestinians it isn’t.
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Once again you deflect from the difference between the two possible outcomes.
Palestinians can live in an Israeli state, and have done for decades.
Jews would not be allowed to live in a Palestinian state.
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There's so much wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin! How can the Gaza enjoy any economic regeneration when people, food,and goods can't easily leave and enter the country?
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Gaza borders but two countries, Egypt and Israel. If Gaza had rejected terrorism 18yr ago and embarked on regeneration it wouldn’t have been a problem
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Why would that pre-suppose war?
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current events?
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You seem to want to condemn Palestine to some kind of sub-civilised existence
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Not at all, I just said Gaza could have been the Dubai of the region.
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whilst permitting full nation rights to Israel
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Israel already has full nation rights
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27-11-2023, 22:45
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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20% of Israel’s population is Palestinian living freely in Israel.
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I'm not sure those Palestinians in Israel kicked out of their homes would describe themselves as living freely.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ca...-of-apartheid/
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27-11-2023, 22:50
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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This is a genuine thank you for that, this proves that a Palestinian uprising against Hamas is possible, as I suggest is what should happen and contrary to what JFman thinks.
You’re hired, as google assistant, to a unhinged and according to Hugh, potentially alcoholic, Pierre.
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27-11-2023, 22:51
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Jews would not be allowed to live in a Palestinian state.
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Considering Palestinians are being killed every day at the hands of the Jewish state I find this baseless claim, and the entire basis for it, absurd.
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27-11-2023, 22:54
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Well, let’s weigh up how many Palestinians live in Israel in relative peace vs how many Jews live in Gaza in relative peace.
The Winner is the one that isn’t zero.
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Considering Palestinians are being killed every day at the hands of the Jewish state I find this baseless claim, and the entire basis for it, absurd.
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That’s fine, but my statement is accurate and your rebuttal is absurd and baseless.
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27-11-2023, 22:56
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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This is a genuine thank you for that, this proves that a Palestinian uprising against Hamas is possible, as I suggest is what should happen and contrary to what JFman thinks.
You’re hired, as google assistant, to an unhinged and according to Hugh, potentially alcoholic, Pierre.
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Wow!
Your comment is unfounded - I have never intimated that.
I may have believed you’d been drinking, but stating that does not equate to calling you potentially alcoholic.
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27-11-2023, 22:59
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Well, let’s weigh up how many Palestinians live in Israel in relative peace vs how many Jews live in Gaza in relative peace.
The Winner is the one that isn’t zero.
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That’s fine, but my statement is accurate and your rebuttal is absurd and baseless.
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In fairness, nobody lives in Gaza in “relative peace”.
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27-11-2023, 23:04
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Wow!
Your comment is unfounded - I have never intimated that.
I may have believed you’d been drinking, but stating that does not equate to calling you potentially alcoholic.
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Calm down Hugh, it was said in jest.
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In fairness, nobody lives in Gaza in “relative peace”.
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Certainly no Jews there.
Jews hate Palestinians so much they make up 1/5th of the population.
Gazans tolerate Jews so much they make up 0% of the population*
(*well even with the recent releases there’s an unprecedented number of Jews currently in Gaza, I think it’s a blip though)
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05-12-2023, 15:35
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes ��
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05-12-2023, 16:32
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Alex Crawford
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It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes ��
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Is that what an official from Israel told you? The BBC is already in Gaza reporting he goings on.
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05-12-2023, 17:15
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Is that what an official from Israel told you? The BBC is already in Gaza reporting he goings on.
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No, it’s what Alex Crawford, a reporter from Sky News, is saying…
https://x.com/alexcrawfordsky/status...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg
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05-12-2023, 17:29
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Would Alex Crawford have been told by an Israeli official that Israel is keeping reporters out of Gaza to avoid them reporting the goings on?
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05-12-2023, 18:54
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Would Alex Crawford have been told by an Israeli official that Israel is keeping reporters out of Gaza to avoid them reporting the goings on?
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No, Alex Crawford is saying reporters are not being allowed into Gaza to report on the conflict.
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