The Chronicles of Rishi

[Sephiroth]

OB will be onto you, John And quite right too.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The net increase of wealth should be taxed. I don't care what state of sublimation their assets are in.

You mean a capital gains tax? We have something like that, it’s called capital gains tax.

In the same way that HMRC does not care where you money is when they send you a tax bill.

I totally agree that the HMRC always go after the easy guy. I’ve been through this myself.

I would urge anyone, that hits the 40% bracket, to employ the services of a financial advisor/tax consultant. They’re not that expensive and future you will get down on their knees and thank you.

There are a multitude of ways to avoid paying too much tax and maximising your capital.

Riddle me this: what would you prefer?

- the ultra wealthy keep their billions

well if they’ve made it that’s up to them. I would hope they’re philanthropists, as many are.

or

part of their increasing wealth is used to improve your local services e.g. GPs, Hospitals, Care Homes, Council services, Libraries, Youth services, etc.

It already is, through tax.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

OB will be onto you, John And quite right too.

I dunno Seph, I think once you are out there defending the idea of slavery, eroding workers rights, ripping up planning legislation, removing the rights of local communities to decide what types of developments they want in their area that even defending Rishi Sunak’s Government is a step too far.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I would urge anyone, that hits the 40% bracket, to employ the services of a financial advisor/tax consultant. They’re not that expensive and future you will get down on their knees and thank you.

There are a multitude of ways to avoid paying too much tax and maximising your capital.

If ever there was a post not to vote Tory, this is it.

I'm all right Jack, the rest of you go forth and multiply.
However when I need need my backside wiping at some stage, I'll call on you, or one of those immigrants oiks.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

If everv there was a post not to vote Tory, this is it.

Explain.

I'm all right Jack, the rest of you go forth and multiply.

Just protecting what I have earnt for my family and what I can bequeath to them. I’m not ultra-wealthy ( to coin a term). I have worked continuously for 35yrs. (And I will have a good few more to go, no early retirement and a nice public funded pension for me) I have never had to call on social security ever. I am a net contributor to the system. I have totally done my bit. If I wish to ensure my I leave a legacy for my family so they have a start in life I didn’t have. I will do that and you can fox trott Oscar and indeed go forth and multiply yourself.

However when I need need my backside wiping at some stage, I'll call on you, or one of those immigrants oiks.

Well I’m currently dealing with my mother-in-law’s affairs, as she has dementia. It’s very unlikely after her life’s achievements that she will have anything to give to anybody. As her savings, her house, everything will be taken in care costs. Once diagnosed, there is nothing you can do and if you try to divert funds you will be found out.

So as you’ve offered, are you’re available, to help in her care?

I’m making sure that if I fall prey to such disease, my family will not be robbed by the state.

Originally Posted by Mr K

If ever there was a post not to vote Tory, this is it.

Do enlighten us, how so ?

Originally Posted by Paul

Do enlighten us, how so ?

I suppose he wants us to vote for Crooked Labour, true socialism on steroids, equal wealth for all, the misconception by the few, that all will be well, while in reality, no one will better themselves, because why should they, when so many lazy scoundrels earn the same sitting on their arses?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I suppose he wants us to vote for Crooked Labour, true socialism on steroids, equal wealth for all, the misconception by the few, that all will be well, while in reality, no one will better themselves, because why should they, when so many lazy scoundrels earn the same sitting on their arses?

The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat Parties do not advocate equal wealth for all.

I do agree with your broader comment which is presumably about Nadine Dorries. Why should civil servants go the extra mile when she's picking up £86k + for doing nothing? Sunak needs to kick her out of the Conservative Party.

Originally Posted by Mick

I suppose he wants us to vote for Crooked Labour, true socialism on steroids, equal wealth for all, the misconception by the few, that all will be well, while in reality, no one will better themselves, because why should they, when so many lazy scoundrels earn the same sitting on their arses?

What about current Labour makes you think they're socialist? Starmer basically refuses to commit to any progressive policy because they know there is no money to do so. New Labour wasn't socialist either. Corbyn was probably the closest in modern times.

The only real socialist thing they ever do is they typically spend more on the NHS when they come into office.

Interesting article in the current Spectator (Tories house magazine)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-evisceration/

The Tories are heading for electoral evisceration

The party now seems too impotent to address the failures that have led it here. It continues to be unable to achieve even the things it desires, opting for government by announcement rather than action. It would rather discuss the trivia which enrages its base than the pressing issues facing the country. The party would rather whinge about the things it sees holding it back – from civil servants to Just Stop Oil – than utilise anything in its power to address it.

More than that, the party has become disconnected from the future of the country it wishes to govern. The Conservatives have shrunk to an unprecedented position in the age split of their voters. Only in the over 65s do they have a plurality of support. The entire working-age electorate intends to reject them at the next election.

The figures are stark. Only around 6 per cent of under-24s intend to vote Tory, far lower than ever before. For the cohort above that, those 25-49, a group that includes working parents and those in settled careers and homes, it is less than 15 per cent. Even among those approaching retirement, the Conservatives can’t count on more than a third supporting them.

None of this should be surprising. The party offers these voters almost nothing. Neither its retail policies nor its rhetoric in any way appeals to these demographics. For the younger groups in particular, the party ignores or worsens their problems and tells them it hates them, then wonders why the feeling is mutual.

It will be hard to win back the voters who feel let down by the Tories. The last decade or so of government has involved juggling and then disappointing a large electoral coalition. Now that coalition is coming together against them to produce a catastrophic defeat. Unless they do something to reverse this the party looks to be out of power for many years – it is simply impossible to win with deep unpopularity across all but one demographic.

It also becomes self-reinforcing. If the under-60s aren’t voting for you, they also aren’t becoming party members, officials, or candidates. Already most of the Tory selection meetings look like they are in the local nursing home. Active members are always a minority of the party, but the fewer votes it gets the more marginal, and frankly weird, that group becomes. This hampered the Tories on the return from 1997, but even then a quarter of young people were voting Tory.

Now, there is a real risk the party will age out, unable to replenish itself. With the party languishing among young people, the sorts you might expect to be the members, MPs and ministers of the 2040s probably don’t even vote Tory today.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Interesting article in the current Spectator (Tories house magazine)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-evisceration/

They will lose at the next election no question. But while the article addresses the apathy towards the Tory’s (and at present I am dis-inclined to vote for them)

But it doesn’t address where those Tory voters are going to go. Because if you think they’re all going to Labour, they’re not.

I couldn’t vote for Labour..yet, and if nothing changes, I won’t be.

Sunak has just over 12 months to try and do something to try and rescue any residual Tory support and Starmer has the same time to persuade them to Labour and both are doing nothing.

I can very well see myself not bothering next election, as no fringe parties resonate with me either.

So Labour will win, just don’t be surprised if it’s not by very much and the turnout is one of the lowest in history.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Pierre

They will lose at the next election no question. But while the article addresses the apathy towards the Tory’s (and at present I am dis-inclined to vote for them)

But it doesn’t address where those Tory voters are going to go. Because if you think they’re all going to Labour, they’re not.

I couldn’t vote for Labour..yet, and if nothing changes, I won’t be.

Sunak has just over 12 months to try and do something to try and rescue any residual Tory support and Starmer has the same time to persuade them to Labour and both are doing nothing.

I can very well see myself not bothering next election, as no fringe parties resonate with me either.

So Labour will win, just don’t be surprised if it’s not by very much and the turnout is one of the lowest in history.

I expect a hung parliament, I will NEVER vote Liebour ever again, Libable Dems are a joke of a party, so I will again Tory (I used to be Liebour, but Steptoe betrayed us and switch to a remainer party).


I would try KS to tell me my name, god let alone run the country

[1andrew1]

Running the NHS seems to be a key Conservative challenge. Waiting lists since 2008 seem to have come down under Labour and risen under the Conservative-led administrations.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Running the NHS seems to be a key Conservative challenge. Waiting lists since 2008 seem to have come down under Labour and risen under the Conservative-led administrations.

Much the same as Labour got the blame for the aftermath of the credit crunch, on the basis that they had not done more in previous years to prepare the country for a financial crash, the Tories can rightly be blamed for allowing NHS performance to be already slipping, year on year, so when the covid crisis hit it was in a far worse place than it might have been.

A letter in today's Times...