Netflix/Streaming Services
11-11-2020, 11:11
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?
What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?
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11-11-2020, 12:16
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?
What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?
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Its like shifting sand as the sand keeps moving all the time.
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11-11-2020, 13:07
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
As a Virgin customer if you want Sky Atlantic, you can’t do that.
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No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?
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11-11-2020, 13:27
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by jfman
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?
What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?
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So, let's try and clarify what's now being predicted:
2025 100 Mb internet broadband speed available to every UK home
2035 End of terrestrial TV, cable TV and satellite TV
2̶0̶2̶5̶ ̶2̶0̶3̶5̶ TBA End of linear broadcasting
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11-11-2020, 13:40
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by spiderplant
No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?
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Yes, you would. But we are discussing a future in which the broadcast channels can o nay be accessed by IPTV. When that is the choice available, most will access on demand and the broadcast channels will get phased out.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?
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I’m not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion, but hey-ho. Enjoy playtime.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
So, let's try and clarify what's now being predicted:
2025 100 Mb internet broadband speed available to every UK home
2035 End of terrestrial TV, cable TV and satellite TV
2̶0̶2̶5̶ ̶2̶0̶3̶5̶ TBA End of linear broadcasting
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Just one or two minor amendments:
2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.
2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.
2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.
That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.
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11-11-2020, 14:32
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?
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11-11-2020, 14:58
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by Hugh
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?
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I'm also keen to understand this.
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11-11-2020, 15:52
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.
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What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.
2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.
That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.
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What's the definition of substantially replaced?
Many thanks
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11-11-2020, 17:14
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by Hugh
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?
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You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.
What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?
What's the definition of substantially replaced?
Many thanks
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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!
What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.
Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.
EDIT: Just looked it up.
“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”
Last edited by OLD BOY; 11-11-2020 at 17:19.
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11-11-2020, 17:26
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.
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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!
What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.
Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.
EDIT: Just looked it up.
“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”
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May l remind you targets are one thing but deliverance of those targets is another...
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11-11-2020, 17:26
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.
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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!
What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.
Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.
EDIT: Just looked it up.
“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”
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But, but, but...
"Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"
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11-11-2020, 18:58
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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May l remind you targets are one thing but deliverance of those targets is another...
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Nevertheless, predictions of the future need to be based on known knowns.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
But, but, but...
"Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"
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Linear = conventional channels in this sense. That is how the media was referring to them at the time, and some still are.
Linear will still be important for live broadcasts, but they will be streamed. Everything pre-recorded will end up on demand only.
I dare say there might still be some niche streamers like Pluto offering linear channels as well, but they will only appeal to a minority.
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11-11-2020, 19:22
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Nevertheless, predictions of the future need to be based on known knowns.
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Linear = conventional channels in this sense. That is how the media was referring to them at the time, and some still are.
Linear will still be important for live broadcasts, but they will be streamed. Everything pre-recorded will end up on demand only.
I dare say there might still be some niche streamers like Pluto offering linear channels as well, but they will only appeal to a minority.
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Not what you said in 2017, in the first post in a thread you started...
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33705051
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Well, that's what Virgin Media seem to think, and this interesting piece suggests that our cableco at least is set to move on from the traditional scheduled TV means of providing content.
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11-11-2020, 21:55
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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What are you trying to imply?
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11-11-2020, 22:09
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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What are you trying to imply?
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I’m not trying to imply anything - i’m stating you initially said that cablecos were set to move on from the traditional scheduled TV, and now you’re saying that scheduled TV could be delivered over IPTV.
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