03-03-2019, 13:23
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by denphone
Chris Grayling takes the biscuit for sheer incompetence when it comes to gaffes by a cabinet minister.
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If he was in charge of Brexit negotiations, we'd have probably joined the Euro and given up our rebate!
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03-03-2019, 14:07
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#7997
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Re: Brexit
I think it would have been better for us to have used professional negotiators rather than politicians.
Companies use them all the time to get the best desl for themselves, yet we are using untrained people for something as important as this.
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03-03-2019, 14:14
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#7998
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Architect of Ideas
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Re: Brexit
I think it’d have been better if we’d a clear idea of what our negotiating objectives were from the start. Single market, customs union, Canada, Norway all got mentions along the way.
Theresa May has negotiated something, and crashing out on WTO terms was never considered likely prior to about six months ago when the penny dropped the EU had a coherent position and we didn’t.
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03-03-2019, 14:47
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
They are the front people for the negotiations - all they negotiate still has to be agreed by the governments of the 27 countries.
Sounds fairly democratic to me...
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So does delivering the Referendum result.
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03-03-2019, 14:58
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
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So does delivering the Referendum result.
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That's the wrong type of democracy for some.
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03-03-2019, 15:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
I think it’d have been better if we’d a clear idea of what our negotiating objectives were from the start. Single market, customs union, Canada, Norway all got mentions along the way.
Theresa May has negotiated something, and crashing out on WTO terms was never considered likely prior to about six months ago when the penny dropped the EU had a coherent position and we didn’t.
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Anybody who thought that the UK would be more coherent than the EU needs to give their head a shake
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03-03-2019, 15:53
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Anybody who thought that the UK would be more coherent than the EU needs to give their head a shake
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Andrew Neil for one, who on the night of the referendum told us how Europe has never been more divided between north and south, east and west.
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03-03-2019, 17:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
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So does delivering the Referendum result.
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The non-binding one, because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory*?
* from the European Union Referendum Act 2015
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03-03-2019, 18:05
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Hugh
The non-binding one, because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory*?
*from the European Union Referendum Act 2015
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Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.
The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.
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03-03-2019, 19:11
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.
The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.
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the law that will change soon as parliament will vote down a no deal Brexit
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03-03-2019, 19:25
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.
The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.
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And a hell of a lot of leavers hung their hats on the advisory nature of a certain bus adverts claims, that was pretty dishonourable to
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03-03-2019, 20:52
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
And a hell of a lot of leavers hung their hats on the advisory nature of a certain bus adverts claims, that was pretty dishonourable to
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In my circle of acquaintances, I don't actually know of any who believed that stuff. I have read stories on various internet platforms about some who did though . . I've also read about people who believe the Earth is flat, believe those from Norfolk have 6 fingers, and those who are absolutely 100% convinced that Aliens move among us
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03-03-2019, 21:51
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Re: Brexit
The only people I ever hear complaining about the bus are people who voted remain anyway.
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03-03-2019, 21:53
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Carth
In my circle of acquaintances, I don't actually know of any who believed that stuff. I have read stories on various internet platforms about some who did though . . I've also read about people who believe the Earth is flat, believe those from Norfolk have 6 fingers, and those who are absolutely 100% convinced that Aliens move among us ![Stick Out Tongue](images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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The person that paid for the advert said it made the difference and 2 out of 3 doctors and nurses believed it, how nice it must be to hang out in such high brow company where you're smarter than most doctors
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03-03-2019, 21:57
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Re: Brexit
I predict trouble outside parliment the the trecherous MPs trying to block the legal will of the people, manage to block Brexit.
I the predict the end of Labour anf the Tories in their current form, and loads of MPs out of work.
I for one will spoil every vote after, and it will be a meaning less vote.
Please don't give me any it was only advisary crap (I wish I could say stronger)
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