The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 3

Anyone know why Kuenssberg is missing from the iPlayer today? There’s a lot of people talking about Farage being racist about Sunak which I suppose might have meant they were worried about falling foul of the law in some way but no official reason seems to have been given.

[Inactive Digital]

They have removed clips from X too. Possibly something Farage said (seen some comments online) But could alternatively be the fact he was promoted on screen as being in Clacton could mean that, rather than being interviewed in his capacityas Reform leader, he is perceived as being interviewed as a constituency candidate, a perk that his opponents in Clacton haven't been given.

[Russ]

Hearing some very disturbing rumours that Sunak’s D-Day debacle was planned to allow him to fall on his sword…..paving the way for David Cameron’s return to number 10. Apparently he’s the only Tory believed to be capable of preventing the total annihilation of the Tories we’ve been hoping for.

Originally Posted by Russ

Hearing some very disturbing rumours that Sunak’s D-Day debacle was planned to allow him to fall on his sword…..paving the way for David Cameron’s return to number 10. Apparently he’s the only Tory believed to be capable of preventing the total annihilation of the Tories we’ve been hoping for.

I think that’s likely the result of people having too much time on their hands and desperately trying to find new angles on the story. Or maybe just that the whole debacle was so jaw-droppingly crass that some people simply can’t believe it could happen.

Personally I think it’s instructive to remember that Rishi Sunak is the one who came second to Liz Truss the last time the Tories had a leadership election. They knew he was even worse than she was. They’ve always known. And their failure to deal with him months ago has now blown up in their faces and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

[Russ]

No you’re absolutely right with all that. But given how much of a bloodbath they’re facing, desperate measures such as this would not shock me one bit.

[Pierre]

I reckon, as seen as Labour are going to win regardless, that I might as well vote for Nigel’s party. Just to give the Tory’s a kicking and see what arises out of the ashes.

They’ll either reform into a proper Conservative Party or just perish and be replaced.

This election is basically a free punt.

We’re guaranteed at least 10yrs of Labour, providing they don’t implode as spectacularly.

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Originally Posted by Russ

No you’re absolutely right with all that. But given how much of a bloodbath they’re facing, desperate measures such as this would not shock me one bit.

They’re beyond saving, they could resurrect Thatcher and still lose.

[jfman]

It’s an interesting calculation. If you accept there’s a percentage of population that are racist, of that percentage there will some that are right leaning. Do more of them vote Tory led by someone else than Sunak?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s an interesting calculation. If you accept there’s a percentage of population that are racist, of that percentage there will some that are right leaning. Do more of them vote Tory led by someone else than Sunak?

Do you know any left leaning racists?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Do you know any left leaning racists?

I’m sure there’s racism across the political spectrum.

Originally Posted by Russ

No you’re absolutely right with all that. But given how much of a bloodbath they’re facing, desperate measures such as this would not shock me one bit.

Oh I think it’s entirely possible, based on what we know of his temperament, that he could resign from the entire process, seat and all, and those who have been speculating this weekend are correct to the extent that a replacement PM would have to be someone already in the establishment. I don’t believe they’re precisely correct about the replacement absolutely having to be a minister - none of this is covered by Act of Parliament, it’s all evolving precedent. But as there are no MPs in the Commons as of 30th May, the next best thing is a member of the Privy Council, which aside from a few royal and judicial members is mostly made up of current and former ministers and senior opposition office holders. And within that set, the most obvious choice is a senior member of the present government. Cameron fits the bill on that basis. So far, so logical. It’s just the cAmErOn Is StItChInG iT uP angle that’s fanciful.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Do you know any left leaning racists?

Next door to us as he is no fan of Sunak or Farage.

[jfman]

It’s a bit of a shame for our Nige the far right seem to be doing well in the European election. Instead he’s slumming it in Clacton.

[GrimUpNorth]

I think Rishi will last until the election, but maybe we should open a poll to guess what time he resigns as leader of the Conservatives on Friday 5th? I think he'll be gone by 6.30am.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I think Rishi will last until the election

Well you need to have ambition.

Originally Posted by Chris

Anyone know why Kuenssberg is missing from the iPlayer today? There’s a lot of people talking about Farage being racist about Sunak which I suppose might have meant they were worried about falling foul of the law in some way but no official reason seems to have been given.

Farage has form for this - he is an expert at skirting round the edges of what is acceptable, then drawing back and acting as if nothing has happened. He baits those who want to call him a racist into over-the-top reactions, whilst appealing to the hard right with the dog-whistle style phrasing.

Rishi Sunak demonstrated he did not understand "our culture" by leaving D-Day commemorations early.

followed by

"I know what your question is leading at - 40% of our contribution in World War One and World War Two came from the Commonwealth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx005vdgg5yo

Also known as the "motte-and-bailey fallacy"…