Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Chris

As it happens, there was an entire family being turned away as we arrived (which I guess is the reason why the nurses were getting the pep-talk at that point). Three kids, all apparently in that age range, brought by their parents who presumably hadn’t thought it important enough until then.

It's amazing what even a perceived threat of lockdown does to focus minds.


I have an appointment for a booster, which I'm going to cancel, because I managed to get in a walkin (in Derby, as there aren't any in Notts for some reason) earlier on. All went relatively well...

Originally Posted by Damien

Seems they used NHS track and trace data so they'll know whose vaccinated, who isn't and the PCR results of in contact with them.

I’m sorry but suddenly, track and trace has become a viable source for information, they’ve been riddled with accusations of inefficiency since the get go.

Seriously, some of you have no idea what it’s been like out there on the front line during this pandemic. But carry on reading the “data” from the stiffs and bean counters who’d probably run a mile if they’d get off their arses, and ended up stuck on a ward/healthcare setting.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm sure there are initiatives that could have been undertaken.

Not my area of expertise, but if I was the health secretary or NHS boss, when it is known that we need to increase capacity quickly in the short term then I would have looked at all and any initiatives.

Like I say not my area of expertise but one I can think of, off the bat is How many ex-nurses are there? offer golden hellos to nurses that return.

If there is a real will to do something, something can be done.

I know quite a few ex-GPs and nurses - they left because they were emotionally and physically exhausted, and had built up enough pensions/savings to live on in retirement.

Money would not incentivise them back into the NHS - much like the previous HMG initiative to increase nurse numbers involved motivating existing nurses to stay in the NHS didn’t (my sister-in-law is an ex-nurse/midwife/district nurse, and wouldn’t go back for love or money).

(a lot of them are, however, volunteering to help out during the current pandemic).

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Originally Posted by Mick

I’m sorry but suddenly, track and trace has become a viable source for information, they’ve been riddled with accusations of inefficiency since the get go.

Seriously, some of you have no idea what it’s been like out there on the front line during this pandemic. But carry on reading the “data” from the stiffs and bean counters who’d probably run a mile if they’d get off their arses, and ended up stuck on a ward/healthcare setting.

I've never installed the silly app (I just don't believe that measurement is reliable enough) but regardless, I haven't ever been contacted by T&T in regards to being in contact with a positive test. Now considering all my music stuff has been basically back to full schedule since the late summer, this surprises me. Unless they could see I was double jabbed and just didn't bother.


I don't think it's ever been stated that vaccinated people can't get it. It just lessens the impact when they do...

Originally Posted by Mick

I’m sorry but suddenly, track and trace has become a viable source for information, they’ve been riddled with accusations of inefficiency since the get go.

Seriously, some of you have no idea what it’s been like out there on the front line during this pandemic. But carry on reading the “data” from the stiffs and bean counters who’d probably run a mile if they’d get off their arses, and ended up stuck on a ward/healthcare setting.

So where else are we to get information? We can only turn to the government or the media.It's almost impossible to get any info from my surgery so we are stuck with conflicting talking media heads and medical/scientific experts who all seem to disagree with one another.The other option of our political leaders leaves me wondering what they aren't telling us.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy

So where else are we to get information? We can only turn to the government or the media.It's almost impossible to get any info from my surgery so we are stuck with conflicting talking media heads and medical/scientific experts who all seem to disagree with one another.The other option of our political leaders leaves me wondering what they aren't telling us.

I think regardless of anything, you have to remember that this is still a relatively mild disease, even for the unvaccinated ( depending on your health, age etc)

Then, regardless of the variant type, if you are vaccinated you are unlikely to get seriously and if you are triple vaccinated you are very unlikely to get Ill.

Also, data forthcoming, it is possible that the illness with Omicron may be milder anyway. We have to wait.

But we have to remind ourselves that in the main ……………….we won’t die.

Except for those 180,000…

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Except for those 180,000…

Well he is right because he did qualify the statement with “in the main”.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except for those 180,000…

Exactly. There's nothing to worry about at all, unless you're one of the unlucky ones like members of my family, friends and acquaintances. I'm sure many others could say the same.too

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except for those 180,000…

Yes, totes mosh. You alright hun?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

At our booster appointment this evening there was a group of nurses at reception reading over the latest instructions from Sturgeon on who is and is not allowed to have a vaccination over the next 4-5 weeks. Basically in Scotland no 12-15s are now allowed. They have been eligible for a 1st jab for some time but anyone who hasn’t had it already is to be turned away until the booster program is complete.

Now you've had it for a few hours, how are you feeling? Friends of mine have reported things like a large swelling where the injection was administered, feeling extremely weak/tired or just generally dreadful. Most said that this lasts for about 24 hours.

I doubt i'll sleep tonight as I don't know how i'll cope with this on top of the pain etc that I have anyway, but I know I have no alternative.

I'm just hoping that this doesn't happen to everyone that has it, which is why i'm asking how you feel after having had it earlier in the evening.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Exactly. There's nothing to worry about at all, unless you're one of the unlucky ones like members of my family, friends and acquaintances. I'm sure many others could say the same.too

That's "living with the virus" Richard. A calculation where there's a number that the Government is willing to put up with if it allows the economy to function.

Even Sunak has highlighted a concern that giving the plebs a Pfizer every six months is billions of pounds despite the vaccine being the key (and sometimes only) defence in the pandemic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ster-programme

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Now you've had it for a few hours, how are you feeling? Friends of mine have reported things like a large swelling where the injection was administered, feeling extremely weak/tired or just generally dreadful. Most said that this lasts for about 24 hours.

I doubt i'll sleep tonight as I don't know how i'll cope with this on top of the pain etc that I have anyway, but I know I have no alternative.

I'm just hoping that this doesn't happen to everyone that has it, which is why i'm asking how you feel after having had it earlier in the evening.

Richard you'll be fine. Both my parents had the flu jab and booster vaccine and had no side effects at all.

I felt no effects at all other than after the first one, my arm was a little sore for a few hours (but only why I was lying on it in bed).

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Except for those 180,000…

Well sad as that may be, people die from illness all the time.
No one cared much about the flu killing 1000's every year (the total since 2000 is well over 100,000, not to mention every other fatal disease and virus).
One of my work colleagues died just two weeks ago from an illness (not covid related in any way).
Illness killed my dad, my grandad, my grandma, both my wifes parents, one of our brother in laws, etc etc.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Now you've had it for a few hours, how are you feeling? Friends of mine have reported things like a large swelling where the injection was administered, feeling extremely weak/tired or just generally dreadful. Most said that this lasts for about 24 hours.

I doubt i'll sleep tonight as I don't know how i'll cope with this on top of the pain etc that I have anyway, but I know I have no alternative.

I'm just hoping that this doesn't happen to everyone that has it, which is why i'm asking how you feel after having had it earlier in the evening.

Upper left arm is tender but that’s all so far. Our eldest had Pfizer earlier this year and was knocked sideways by the first dose - really sleepy. Second wasn’t nearly as bad. I’ll post back tomorrow if I get any side effects from the booster.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except for those 180,000…

Who have likely died because of a number of other causes, not just Covid by itself.