Football : Season 2012/2013

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

In other news we signed allou diarra today, remember him, one of houllier's wonder kids, probably moved far to soon and. Think he and diame will be absolute monsters in our midfield.

Hes turning you into a real big sam team now

Shame you didn't get Carroll then it would be complete.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Hes turning you into a real big sam team now

Shame you didn't get Carroll then it would be complete.

Good, I'm sick of playing "nice" football and getting nowhere besides the.matches I went to last season weren't that bad, except for Doncaster, that really was terrible.

[27monksbury]

Rangers being thrown out of the Scottish premier league will effect the players and fans more, they are the innocent party. Seems crazy to me. Like a body is devouring itself.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by 27monksbury

Rangers being thrown out of the Scottish premier league will effect the players and fans more, they are the innocent party. Seems crazy to me. Like a body is devouring itself.

Innocent Party? Have you got your information from the Scottish mainstream media?
Every tax payer in the country subsidised Rangers for at least a decade, probably longer.

Rangers weren't thrown out of the Scottish Premier League. The team called Rangers from last season are currently being liquidated. a consequence of this is they no longer have a licence to play in Senior Football.

If they'd paid their taxes and other bills like the rest of society have to do then they'd still be in the SPL...... simples.

The new "can't believe it's not Rangers", are impersonating Rangers as best as they can to attract the Fans of the former Club.

The fans of Scottish football, including those of the former Rangers, have been cheated for years..... the vast majority are looking forward to a cheat free season.

[Russ]

Liverpool pay £15m for a man who made 2 assists last season and completed just 3 through balls. I think we came off best there.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Every tax payer in the country subsidised Rangers for at least a decade, probably longer.

If they'd paid their taxes and other bills like the rest of society have to do then they'd still be in the SPL...... simples.

Really?

I think you'll find they didn't pay tax since Craig Whyte was in charge so less than a year. Before that they used a tax avoidance measure used by a large number of clubs (including Celtic)

They declared the use of EBTs in their annual accounts (unlike Celtic) so hardly getting subsidised by tax payers.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Russ

Liverpool pay £15m for a man who made 2 assists last season and completed just 3 through balls. I think we came off best there.

Well this season will be the judge of that dear Russ.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

Really?

I think you'll find they didn't pay tax since Craig Whyte was in charge so less than a year. Before that they used a tax avoidance measure used by a large number of clubs (including Celtic)

They declared the use of EBTs in their annual accounts (unlike Celtic) so hardly getting subsidised by tax payers.

Oh dear. Still trying to deflect.

It was the way that Rangers used the EBT scheme that made it tax evasion rather than avoidance. The Craig Whyte year wasn't enough to liquidate Rangers.

Celtic's use of the EBT scheme was to pay off one Player.... my understanding is that they declared this and on the advice of HMRC never used it again. The same advice was offered to David Murray.. it was ignored.

Again my understanding is that there was no side letters or dual contracts to pay off this player. If this isn't the case and Celtic are deemed to have broken the laws governing the game then I fully expect them to be punished.

The punishment should be changing the result of any games that involved that player to 3-0 defeats. If that results in Celtic being stripped of any titles or trophies then so be it.

If some teams are allowed to break the laws of the games, i.e. cheat, then it's no longer a sporting contest.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Celtic's use of the EBT scheme was to pay off one Player.... my understanding is that they declared this and on the advice of HMRC never used it again. The same advice was offered to David Murray.. it was ignored.

The Rangers EBTs were declared every year, never hidden, and the same schemes used by a large number of other teams in the UK.
Celtic didn't declare their use of it until HMRC started looking at Rangers when they scrabbled to get their house in order.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Again my understanding is that there was no side letters or dual contracts to pay off this player. If this isn't the case and Celtic are deemed to have broken the laws governing the game then I fully expect them to be punished.

Well considering the 'independant' tribunal thats investigating them has numerous links to Celtic chief exec I'd imagine they will be punished regardless of them being innocent or guilty.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Derek

The Rangers EBTs were declared every year, never hidden, and the same schemes used by a large number of other teams in the UK.

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Though Rangers declared EBTs, they weren't legal because of the way they were used.

EBT must not be used to supplement wages, as an expected benefit. that is the issue.

HMRC say
EBTs have increasingly been used for avoidance purposes, with the aim of providing employees and directors with benefits in ways that aim to minimise or avoid liability to income tax (and PAYE) and employers’ National Insurance Contributions

Problem with Rangers was they got greedy, they built the EBT as part of the expected remuneration, and they got caught. Sending letters out stating that was kind of stupid, similar to robbing a bank and leaving your address for them to come pick up the empty bags

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

The Rangers EBTs were declared every year, never hidden, and the same schemes used by a large number of other teams in the UK.
Celtic didn't declare their use of it until HMRC started looking at Rangers when they scrabbled to get their house in order.



Well considering the 'independant' tribunal thats investigating them has numerous links to Celtic chief exec I'd imagine they will be punished regardless of them being innocent or guilty.

scrambled (I assume) to get their house in order? One phone call to HMRC to clarify the position for the one EBT doesn't constitute a scramble in most people's eyes.
Rangers EBTs weren't declared as being contractual which is where the problem lies. EBTs can't be contractual or they're liable for tax.

In trying to evade tax they had the problem of hiding part of the contract from the football authorities.

Why the quotes around the word independent? Do you know who is on the tribunal?

If the EBTs (Employee benefit trusts) were all above board why were ex-employees receiving large sums of dosh 10 years after they'd left Rangers employment? The normally publicity seeking Mr Souness seems to be very coy on answering questions on that one.

Does it not raise any concerns that at a time when Sounesss was the highly paid manager of an EPL club he ws also receiving money from Rangers EBT scheme?..... at a time when he is buying players from Rangers.

Surely as a trained law enforcement officer your eyebrow must have raised a little when this was revealed?

[LondonRoad]

and well done to Scotland's New 3rd division club managing to rescue a point against the mighty Peterhead.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

and well done to Scotland's New 3rd division club managing to rescue a point against the mighty Peterhead.

Yes, Rangers are top of the league..good point

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by colin25

Yes, Rangers are top of the league..good point

Second in alphabetical order, whether they're called Sevco or The Rangers

Apparently they had to play in the training kit of the team formerly known as Rangers because there was a clash of colours

[colin25]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Second in alphabetical order, whether they're called Sevco or The Rangers

Apparently they had to play in the training kit of the team formerly known as Rangers because there was a clash of colours

Yes, i heard. I thought that odd, as they must have known peterhead's colours. (maybe not )

And joint top..same goal difference etc..away goals don't count double..and you can't win league alphabetically...unless you mean they should dot i's and cross t's and win games