Trump’s Troubles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Yet you could argue that someone convicted in early life, reforms and shows that reform could do a good job in public office.

In the case of Trump, he's ben convicted late in life and shows no signs of reform or remorse.

Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.

Everything they do is projection, crooked Hillary, donny gets convicted, sleepy Joe, donny can't stay awake at his trial, where's Nikki Haley's husband on the campaign, Melanoma didn't show up once in court for him and the deflecting will only get worse between now and November

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Everything they do is projection, crooked Hillary, donny gets convicted, sleepy Joe, donny can't stay awake at his trial, where's Nikki Haley's husband on the campaign, Melanoma didn't show up once in court for him and the deflecting will only get worse between now and November

On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.”

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.

Agreed. Lock him up but I can't see that happening. Maybe a fine or ideally, some kind of community service like picking up rubbish. Although doubtless he'd try and turn it into a photo op!

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Lock him up but I can't see that happening. Maybe a fine or ideally, some kind of community service like picking up rubbish. Although doubtless he'd try and turn it into a photo op!

Would be interesting to have secret service personnel in jail with him .

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Would be interesting to have secret service personnel in jail with him .

Won't be a need if he's put in isolation 24/7. Where he should be....

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Chris

On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.”

The ultimate irony

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.”

They're frankly embarrassed by their own superiority in this area. #Awks

[nomadking]

Haven't been paying any attention to the case, but this is an article by a Democrat Law professor.
Link

This prosecution was even worse because, though DA Bragg tried desperately to find a crime with which to charge Trump, he failed to find one, as did his predecessor Cyrus Vance.
So Bragg went a dangerous step further than Stalin ever did: he made up a crime.
He found a misdemeanor that was past the statute of limitations — making a false bookkeeping entry on a corporate form — and magically converted it to a felony that was within the limitation period by alleging that the false entry was intended to cover up another crime.
...
In fact, the prosecution didn't tell the court what Trump's other 'crimes' were until their closing arguments on Wednesday – by which point the defense had no opportunity to respond.
And even then, the supposed crimes outlined were vague.
In his closing instructions, Judge Juan Merchan exposed his already apparent bias once more – telling the jurors that they didn't actually have to agree on the specifics of Trump's unlawful behavior.

How would you like to be on the receiving end of such biased behaviour. Scary.

[1andrew1]

The Daily Mail doing what it does best - straw-clutching.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Daily Mail doing what it does best - straw-clutching.

I know…

Why? Because this case was tried in Manhattan, where practically every man on the street wants to keep one Donald Trump out of the White House.

Can you imagine the audacity of undertaking a trial in the city where the crimes were committed? If only Trump’s defence attorneys had been involved in the jury selection, it could have all have been different!!!

What next? It means anyone who falsifies business records, sleeps with a porn star, lies about it, pays her off, covers up the payoff, then covers up the payoff in the middle of a presidential campaign, could be prosecuted…

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I know…



Can you imagine the audacity of undertaking a trial in the city where the crimes were committed? If only Trump’s defence attorneys had been involved in the jury selection, it could have all have been different!!!

What next? It means anyone who falsifies business records, sleeps with a porn star, lies about it, pays her off, covers up the payoff, then covers up the payoff in the middle of a presidential campaign , could be prosecuted…

In fairness, those bits aren’t crimes in and of themselves.

Originally Posted by jfman

In fairness, those bits aren’t crimes in and of themselves.

tbf, the covering up parts were - that involved false accounting, and the other acts were the precursors to the criminal acts, which is the relevancy…

From the charge sheet

34 false entries were made in New York business records to conceal the initial covert $130,000 payment. Further, participants in the scheme took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the reimbursements.

The funny thing about this is that he didn't do anything that illegal here. He just went about something that could have easily be done legally in the most illegal way he possibly could just because he is Trump.

It isn't illegal to pay off a porn star. It's not even illegal to do with campaign funds. It is illegal not to disclose that.

https://x.com/stanfordNYC/status/1796325261027536971

The amazing thing here is that Trump didn't even do anything innately criminal. If he didn't have a corrupt mindset, he could have talked to *real* lawyers, who would have an advisor set up an LLC, wire it $130K of campaign funds for "legal matter" and then have that pay her.

The other thing is that he still could have gotten away with this if it was deemed a personal matter rather than a political one. But Trump didn't want to argue that in court because he didn't want to admit to the affair so his lawyers had to pretend it didn't happen which didn't work.

He has gone out of his way to make it so much worse for himself than it needed to be if he, at any point in this process, checked his ego and did the honest and pragmatic thing instead of lying and trying to pick fights.