Football : Season 2011/12

Originally Posted by thenry

is that a verified account?

No idea

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer now 6:4 for Villa job...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18106578

I think he would do really well for them. He was excellent as our reserve coach and has done a great job at Molde. It will be interesting to see if he actually wants the job or if he decides to carry on gaining experience in Norway. Whatever he does, it looks like he has the potential to be a good manager.

Originally Posted by thenry

is that a verified account?

No it isn't. it's a PARODY ACCOUNT! just seen it at the top

[thenry]

players would play for him thats for sure but has he got tactical knowledge, training etc. etc. to be a manager?

Originally Posted by yesman

No idea

i remember hearing or reading he was on twitter which amazed me, could be wrong. surely his account would be verified.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I think he would do really well for them. He was excellent as our reserve coach and has done a great job at Molde. It will be interesting to see if he actually wants the job or if he decides to carry on gaining experience in Norway. Whatever he does, it looks like he has the potential to be a good manager.

Yes, one of the good guys as well, despite the 'baby faced assassin' tag!

[thenry]

Originally Posted by yesman

No it isn't. it's a PARODY ACCOUNT! just seen it at the top

ahh in that case has he got twitter? may be im mixing him up with someone else

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I think he would do really well for them. He was excellent as our reserve coach and has done a great job at Molde. It will be interesting to see if he actually wants the job or if he decides to carry on gaining experience in Norway. Whatever he does, it looks like he has the potential to be a good manager.

It should be noted that more often than not, when it comes to manager markets, betting companies do not have information so their prices respond to incoming bets. Someone starts a rumour, a flurry of bets are placed as a result, the bookies computers respond to reduce risk and the price goes down.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry where I am I wrong? We came third and people are not happy we didn't challenge for the title? So am I wrong about some of the expectations about what we should achieve or am I wrong that we can't compete with City and Chelsea's resources? We have about £50 million to spend, that includes contracts, according to the AST and Swiss Ramble. That is not going to make City worried.

Stop saying wrong and assuming you speak for the whole fan base. People are allowed differing opinions to you. I go to a majority of home games, am an AST member, and read about the club. I don't enjoy being patronised and lectured at without substance to back up the arguments. People can have differing perceptions around the club.

You're wrong if you think financial fair play is going to help you, it's already been watered down and now there's talk of postponing it a few more seasons, won't be long before it's abandoned altogether and imo that's no bad thing as let's be honest it was only ever designed to stop anyone else joining that elite little group at the top table.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Sir Alex Ferguson had no PL experience when he took over a huge English club and was repeatedly questioned on whether he was good enough for the first few years so l think Martinez deserves to be given the same chance at Liverpool.

He had also won a European trophy, broken the old firm dominance and managed a team at a world cup finals hardly the same as keeping Wigan up.

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Originally Posted by Damien

It should be noted that more often than not, when it comes to manager markets, betting companies do not have information so their prices respond to incoming bets. Someone starts a rumour, a flurry of bets are placed as a result, the bookies computers respond to reduce risk and the price goes down.

Capelo to Chelsea is doing the rounds at the mo, I can see that happening but then you can also get odds in Lilly savage being the next Liverpool boss so...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by yesman

Roy Keane interested in the Liverpool job...



Somehow I don't think he will be asked

http://twitter.com/#!/roy_keane_esq

Quite amusing in places

Not on your nelly.

[adzii_nufc]

Roy Keane would sort out the idiots in Liverpool's squad, He's a crap manager but he'd sharp fix Carroll and Downing.

Seems the Liverpool job has become what the Newcastle job used to be.

I remember when we got criticised to hell for sacking managers after a year, how lovely it is to see Chelsea and Liverpool do the same.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You're wrong if you think financial fair play is going to help you, it's already been watered down and now there's talk of postponing it a few more seasons, won't be long before it's abandoned altogether and imo that's no bad thing as let's be honest it was only ever designed to stop anyone else joining that elite little group at the top table.

I hope Financial Fair Play will help us, it remains a hope, I am also concerned it will be ignored. It isn't being delayed however, kicks in this year.

I disagree with the idea it was only ever designed to stop anyone else joining that elite little group at the top of the table. Certainly some of the clubs advocating it, including Chelsea most of all, have an element of self-interest in ensuring that another Manchester City doesn't come along and hit their club. This is true.

However that's not why UEFA brought it in and it isn't the main intention. The idea should actually help smaller clubs, and bigger clubs, by stopping the crazy inflation of wages that Chelsea and Manchester City have caused. The wages across football keep increasing at a higher pace than the the money football makes. The wages increase across all clubs as a result and many are already struggling to pay their wages bills. It's not sustainable. Yes, this may limit the desire for a billionaire to buy out a smaller club and spend £1 billion to make them a title fighting side but it would help all the other clubs, who are not so lucky, survive. If football's main prospect for growth is the arrival of wealthy benefactors then we're playing a lottery which most clubs will lose.

This is why the Championship enacted their own version of Financial Fair Play this year. The same principles are involved albeit with different punitive measures since they don't have the carrot of European Football to take away, but massive fines and a transfer embargo shows they are taking it seriously. This was voted for by the clubs, 21 of the 24 voted in favour, this was not the elite trying to stop people joining them. This was about clubs trying to survive.

I would also say that clubs are still able to challenge the elite. Tottenham, Newcastle and to a lesser extent Arsenal have been able to challenge for European Football without excessive riches. Newcastle almost made the top four with a sustainable business model, in a post-FFP era they would find it easier not harder to continue to do so since everyone else would have to run their club in the same way. Spurs have managed to challenge for top 4, getting in there twice, with the same limitations. In a post-FFP era they would have an easier time keeping Modric and Bale. Why? Because when all clubs have to balance their books there will be fewer transfers and salaries will not be so disproportional between clubs.

What's more there are exceptions to allow stadium and youth development. Any money spent on infrastructural improvements (stadiums, training facilities, youth development) are exempt from being counted as losses. If you want to move forward then you can invest to these areas as much as you like.

Anyway. In summary I think FFP, if it works, will be a good thing. It's not designed to pull the drawbridge up on other teams. It will actually make it easier to compete because the clubs will be brought closer together. All it will stop is the benefactor-funded clubs being able to win the league by buying £1 billion worth of players. Instead they would have to do it the way all clubs did previously, by investing in the club itself. It will help all other clubs who did not win that lottery by deflating transfer fees, wages, and stopping all promising players being stockpiled by the elite.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Roy Keane would sort out the idiots in Liverpool's squad, He's a crap manager but he'd sharp fix Carroll and Downing.

Seems the Liverpool job has become what the Newcastle job used to be.

I remember when we got criticised to hell for sacking managers after a year, how lovely it is to see Chelsea and Liverpool do the same.

Don't get too comfortable adzii as you never know whats round the corner.

Anyway on a unrelated note, the Sky Sports montage for the end of the season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rm1SE37N_I

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I hope Financial Fair Play will help us, it remains a hope, I am also concerned it will be ignored. It isn't being delayed however, kicks in this year.

I disagree with the idea it was only ever designed to stop anyone else joining that elite little group at the top of the table. Certainly some of the clubs advocating it, including Chelsea most of all, have an element of self-interest in ensuring that another Manchester City doesn't come along and hit their club. This is true.

However that's not why UEFA brought it in and it isn't the main intention. The idea should actually help smaller clubs, and bigger clubs, by stopping the crazy inflation of wages that Chelsea and Manchester City have caused. The wages across football keep increasing at a higher pace than the the money football makes. The wages increase across all clubs as a result and many are already struggling to pay their wages bills. It's not sustainable. Yes, this may limit the desire for a billionaire to buy out a smaller club and spend £1 billion to make them a title fighting side but it would help all the other clubs, who are not so lucky, survive. If football's main prospect for growth is the arrival of wealthy benefactors then we're playing a lottery which most clubs will lose.

This is why the Championship enacted their own version of Financial Fair Play this year. The same principles are involved albeit with different punitive measures since they don't have the carrot of European Football to take away, but massive fines and a transfer embargo shows they are taking it seriously. This was voted for by the clubs, 21 of the 24 voted in favour, this was not the elite trying to stop people joining them. This was about clubs trying to survive.

I would also say that clubs are still able to challenge the elite. Tottenham, Newcastle and to a lesser extent Arsenal have been able to challenge for European Football without excessive riches. Newcastle almost made the top four with a sustainable business model, in a post-FFP era they would find it easier not harder to continue to do so since everyone else would have to run their club in the same way. Spurs have managed to challenge for top 4, getting in there twice, with the same limitations. In a post-FFP era they would have an easier time keeping Modric and Bale. Why? Because when all clubs have to balance their books there will be fewer transfers and salaries will not be so disproportional between clubs.

What's more there are exceptions to allow stadium and youth development. Any money spent on infrastructural improvements (stadiums, training facilities, youth development) are exempt from being counted as losses. If you want to move forward then you can invest to these areas as much as you like.

Anyway. In summary I think FFP, if it works, will be a good thing. It's not designed to pull the drawbridge up on other teams. It will actually make it easier to compete because the clubs will be brought closer together. All it will stop is the benefactor-funded clubs being able to win the league by buying £1 billion worth of players. Instead they would have to do it the way all clubs did previously, by investing in the club itself. It will help all other clubs who did not win that lottery by deflating transfer fees, wages, and stopping all promising players being stockpiled by the elite.

wages are a problem but no one forces clubs to sign players or keep them on new ridiculous contracts, the man cities, Chelsea's and Madrid's of this world can't sign every one and as so many have found rvp included if he goes, the grass isn't always greener no matter how much cash on offer and that'll be one of the last times you'll be able to cash in so well on a player in the last year of his deal if it goes through. Although interestingly third party ownership is allowed under ffp but the main reason it'll fail is 'coz arsene said it will and as already established you're duty bound to fall into line and agree

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/kfqleyqleyoj/rss2/

[Russ]

Rogers has turned down Liverpool - the better half of South Wales breathes a collective sigh of relief.