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Carth · 04-06-2021, 16:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seph and Old Boy - you need to get out...less!

no, we need to get out more. You'll never achieve 'herd immunity' if everyone hides under the bed

**Hugh** · 04-06-2021, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Carth

no, we need to get out more. You'll never achieve 'herd immunity' if everyone hides under the bed

You do realise "herd immunity" also involves thinning out the herd of the old and weak...

Carth · 04-06-2021, 17:02

nah, we've had two jabs, we're immune now . . .

Sephiroth · 04-06-2021, 17:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seph and Old Boy - you need to get out...less!

The 4 wards are not adjacent to mine.

I'm amused to find you reading the Reading press.

jfman · 04-06-2021, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The 4 wards are not adjacent to mine.

Let me be the first to express my sincere relief.

OLD BOY · 04-06-2021, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Point.
missed.
completely...

You were/are advocating the spread of the virus throughout the population, then you were surprised that a more transmissable variant arose.

The more the virus spreads, the more likelyhood of variants arising, and the more likelyhood of one or more of those variants being more transmissible.

Science...

I did miss that point, but to be fair it wasn't clear what point you were making.

We all knew that there would be variants, and indeed I said a while back that I was concerned about mutations. What hadn't been appreciated was that there was already a variant in circulation that was more transmissable.

While transmission causes mutations in some cases, I still maintain that the longer this drags on, the more problems we will face with this virus. Better to get it out of the way sooner rather than later, but clearly that's not going to happen. So, we will need to maximise the speed of the vaccination programme instead.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Well I’m bookmarking this post for three months time when you claim the Indian variant took everyone by surprise. It absolutely didn’t.

The increased transmissibility was was what took everyone by surprise, not the existence of the Kent variant. That is well documented.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seph and Old Boy - you need to get out...less!

Yes, I read that, but I'm not unduly concerned. The rate per 100,000 remains low, and I am protected against serious illness by inoculations. My friends call me 'Two Jabs'!

My Superman costume is in the post!

Sephiroth · 04-06-2021, 17:53

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Originally Posted by jfman

Let me be the first to express my sincere relief.

Dunno about OB, though. Maybe Evendons ward - the sort of area served by Aldi.

**Hugh** · 04-06-2021, 17:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I did miss that point, but to be fair it wasn't clear what point you were making.

We all knew that there would be variants, and indeed I said a while back that I was concerned about mutations. What hadn't been appreciated was that there was already a variant in circulation that was more transmissable.

While transmission causes mutations in some cases, I still maintain that the longer this drags on, the more problems we will face with this virus. Better to get it out of the way sooner rather than later, but clearly that's not going to happen. So, we will need to maximise the speed of the vaccination programme instead.

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The increased transmissibility was was what took everyone by surprise, not the existence of the Kent variant. That is well documented.

I'll try one more time...

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Point.
missed.
completely...

You were/are advocating the spread of the virus throughout the population, then you were surprised that a more transmissable variant arose.

The more the virus spreads, the more likelyhood of variants arising, and the more likelyhood of one or more of those variants being more transmissible.

Science...

This was known at the time - it's basic virology, and was one of the reasons for the lockdown that you railed against so much.

OLD BOY · 04-06-2021, 18:05

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Nope, would never say that - no drug or vaccine is 100% effective but I am a big fan of the Swiss Cheese Model of risk management.

Pulling figures out of the air, if my mums vaccination is 80% effective at preventing her becoming sick and my kids vaccination is 80% effective at preventing spread, then that's a 20% likelihood of my kids spreading and a 20% likelihood of my mum getting sick if thy do give it to her.

That adds up to 96% effective in combination which is a result to me

There's a difference between 'sick' and 'very sick'. Once we are all vaccinated, this virus will be no more dangerous than flu, which can claim up to 28,000 deaths in a year, incidentally. There is no choice - we all have to live in a world which carries the risk of deadly infection.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I'll try one more time...

This was known at the time - it's basic virology, and was one of the reasons for the lockdown that you railed against so much.

Well, it caught the government by surprise and it changed their strategy on the lockdown.

I guess the PM should have asked you about this at the time. Too late now, though...

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise "herd immunity" also involves thinning out the herd of the old and weak...

They know who they are, and these are the people who should take more precautions.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Dunno about OB, though. Maybe Evendons ward - the sort of area served by Aldi.

I never shop at Aldi, Seph - I don't know where that rumour emanated from. I don't go anywhere near discount shops and I would be appalled if one opened in my neck of the woods!

**Hugh** · 04-06-2021, 18:06

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There's a difference between 'sick' and 'very sick'. Once we are all vaccinated, this virus will be no more dangerous than flu, which can claim up to 28,000 deaths in a year, incidentally. There is no choice - we all have to live in a world which carries the risk of deadly infection.

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Well, it caught the government by surprise and it changed their strategy on the lockdown.

I guess the PM should have asked you about this at the time. Too late now, though...

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They know who they are, and these are the people who should take more precautions.

I think you mean "flu and pneumonia"...

jonbxx · 04-06-2021, 18:45

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There's a difference between 'sick' and 'very sick'. Once we are all vaccinated, this virus will be no more dangerous than flu, which can claim up to 28,000 deaths in a year, incidentally. There is no choice - we all have to live in a world which carries the risk of deadly infection.

You are right, we probably will have to live with low levels of COVID. However, any simple safe steps we can take to minimise the risks is a good thing right? Every death is a tragedy to someone, not just something we can live with...

Sephiroth · 04-06-2021, 18:57

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

I never shop at Aldi, Seph - I don't know where that rumour emanated from. I don't go anywhere near discount shops and I would be appalled if one opened in my neck of the woods!

Ooops, you're right.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1990

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....I hover between Asda, Sainsbury's and on occasion, M&S

OLD BOY · 04-06-2021, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I think you mean "flu and pneumonia"...

In that flu often leads to pneumonia, yes, you are probably right.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

You are right, we probably will have to live with low levels of COVID. However, any simple safe steps we can take to minimise the risks is a good thing right? Every death is a tragedy to someone, not just something we can live with...

Yes, but it should be by individual choice.

1andrew1 · 04-06-2021, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The 4 wards are not adjacent to mine.

I'm amused to find you reading the Reading press.

The Reading article came courtesy of Spiderplant.
Pleased you're not impacted.

pip08456 · 04-06-2021, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I'll try one more time...

This was known at the time - it's basic virology, and was one of the reasons for the lockdown that you railed against so much.

You have a link for that or are you just making it up? As we have been told ad nauseam the reason for lockdowns was to flatten the curve (when it was already heading down) to protect the NHS. Never once has prevention or reduction in mutation been mentioned.