Netflix/Streaming Services
28-06-2019, 16:04
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by muppetman11
I don't buy into Netflix destroying them , let's see what happens when Netflix has its third party content pulled and it's starts feeling the competition from the other new entrants.
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When I used the word destroyed, I meant that Netflix has completely changed the way that these companies need to do business and if they don't adapt, that will destroy them.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Although many of the new streaming companies may choose at first to make their content exclusive to their own streamers, I think that in the end, they will be forced to allow their shows to be screened on other TV channels and streamers like Netflix to make up for lost income. The more streamers there are competing against one another, the more likely this becomes. Good news for the linear TV channels if the content drought for them is eased or comes to an end.
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Each streamer needs to make its own service distinct, so although Disney and others may loosen up in the end, the whole reason for going DTC (direct to consumer) is to cut out the middleman which is why I don't see Disney allowing other streamers/channels to get their hands on Star Wars, Marvel etc.
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As far as I am concerned as a consumer, an ideal situation would be for all content to be loaded up into the cloud, and for a subscription, to be permitted to watch up to a certain number of hours of content over the month (say 80 hours). After that, a further subscription for the month or PPV would be the option. The studios would get the appropriate cut of that subscription according to the number of views.
Whether that ever comes to pass or not, I have no idea, but it would be a good solution for punters.
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It sounds like a great idea, a super Netflix, but I don't see these competing companies going down that road, otherwise they would've just stuck with Netflix.
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I don't see Netflix as a kind of internet monster. Netflix is not specifically out to destroy the competition and I don't see any predatory signs as I did with Sky in the darkest Murdoch days.
The success of each streamer will depend on the quality and genre(s) of its content, the amount of it and value for money compared with the alternatives. Other factors will also come into it, such as whether an AVOD alternative is available for those who do not wish to subscribe, whether they are accessible on all major platforms and whether they agree to being part of bundled services on these platforms.
Eleven Sports is an example of what happens when you can't get onto a major platform, although other factors were also at play in that example.
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It's not a case of Netflix's boss waking up each day and plotting the destruction of his rivals (although he may, who knows) its simply the case that he came up with a way to watch films that's better than the existing media companies and if they don't adapt, they will die.
I do see Netflix as a internet monster, though. One that's gone from nothing to being the largest media company in the world and knocking out a major rival (Murdoch) along the way.
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28-06-2019, 17:12
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
Netflix has a massive head start on competitors with its huge user base and technology but it still has nowhere near the amounts of content that the likes of Disney , NBC Universal and Warner have.
Don't forget Disney owns 75% of BamTech which have more than enough experience in OTT video.
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28-06-2019, 17:18
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by denphone
We were actually talking about Amazon Prime and some of their Prime Video Channels OB.
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I know we were, Den, and then you made the comment about desperation. So I pointed out that this was standard practice for Now TV, where I don't think desperation comes into it.
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28-06-2019, 17:36
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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I know we were, Den, and then you made the comment about desperation. So I pointed out that this was standard practice for Now TV, where I don't think desperation comes into it.
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They are all desperate for trade as the problem for many of the streamers will come when they decide they cannot discount anymore and then many of those customers will then have to stump up more for their monthly fix.
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28-06-2019, 20:15
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by denphone
Not a chance.
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Then their real test will come as the several more 80lb gorillas enter the ring.
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That will not happen Vince.
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You don't know that, Den..
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28-06-2019, 20:40
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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You don't know that, Den..
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Any good reason why they would add it MM?.
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28-06-2019, 22:43
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Golden age of streaming is over.
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When its streaming platform launched, people were spending more than £15 just to watch a single season of a show on DVD. So to be able to watch every season of a show – and every season of hundreds of others of shows – for a fiver a month was revolutionary. The whole point of Netflix was that it was a relatively affordable bucket that contained an awful lot of television. That’s why people liked it. That’s why so many people subscribed and continue to subscribe. To pretend otherwise is to miss the point.
That will be a memory soon. The Netflix model was great for viewers, but it couldn’t last. The content creators got greedy and scared, and now they’re determined to drag things back to the bad old ways. They will force everyone to pay for everything separately, and the subscriber base will split, and the providers will have to recoup the money they are spending to take on Netflix – such as the $500m that NBCUniversal spent to get The Office back, the $250m Amazon is spending on a Lord of the Rings series and the $500m that Warner just spent to win the services of JJ Abrams – which means that subscriptions will rise. Make no mistake: we’re the ones likely to get stiffed here. The golden age of television may be going strong, but the golden age of streaming is dead.
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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...sive-heres-why
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28-06-2019, 23:06
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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wow this is totally spot on. Greed. Tv companies may regret this as piracy returns!
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28-06-2019, 23:08
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Absolutely bang on........unless you speak to some.
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28-06-2019, 23:12
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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wow this is totally spot on. Greed. Tv companies may regret this as piracy returns!
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Piracy has never been easier..... cough...... Kodi........
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29-06-2019, 05:34
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Expect the brickbats to come your way Andrew as l mentioned it the other day and was immediately seen as some type of ancient out of touch old fossil.
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Piracy has never been easier..... cough...... Kodi........
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Illegal too...
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29-06-2019, 10:52
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Expect the brickbats to come your way Andrew as l mentioned it the other day and was immediately seen as some type of ancient out of touch old fossil.
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Illegal too...
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Of course it is..... but you know.... i would say a very high percentage do use it and it is easier than torrenting or using Newsgroups.
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29-06-2019, 10:55
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Of course it is..... but you know.... i would say a very high percentage do use it and it is easier than torrenting or using Newsgroups.
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Well it is their preogative if they want to go down that road but its not for me.
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29-06-2019, 10:56
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Well it is their preogative if they want to go down that road but its not for me.
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I am sure you have downloaded something in the past that you shouldn't have, even if it was a TV episode not yet available in the UK?
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29-06-2019, 11:49
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
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Originally Posted by denphone
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The article is "typical" Guardian fare, especially the bit where the author says "There’s a huge difference between not being able to watch everything because there’s too much choice and not being able to watch everything because you don’t have enough money."
There's never been a opportunity, yet, to watch everything either on channels or on Netflix.
As the author says, if you wanted to watch whole tv shows, just one season would cost over £15 to buy the DVD and if the tv shows were long running over ten plus years, this got very expensive. There was never a time before Netflix where you could watch all of a tv show on a tv channel, something totally omitted from the article. Netflix provided an exceptionally cheap way to view content, which obviously people got very used to.
Another omission is that you couldn't even watch shows and films for a very long time on Netflix because the rights expired, which caused and still does cause, major headaches for Netflix as people complain when content is removed from the service. Sometimes the rights are renewed especially for major shows, but many times they're not. So, it was never a eat all you can bucket that the author quips about.
Each media company having its own streaming services brings the possibility, the possibility, of providing a permanent archive of all their back catalogues, something Netflix could never do with other company's content.
DVDs, TV licenses, pay tv subscription all used to add up each month. Fast forward to today and if the DVDs are gone and if the pay tv superscriptions are, or at least pared back, then adding in most of the main streamers will be affordable to many people, especially those paying hideous amount like £100+ each month for their tv and broadband needs.
And just a reminder, which the author forgets, Amazon, Apple and Netflix's original content are all new shows and films, so of course the prices would be higher, because that's additional new content which was never available before.
Netflix and other streamers haven't necessarily made things more expensive, especially when you throw in DVDs into the mix, they've made things more available and expanded the choice immeasurably.
Do you remember repurchasing Star Wars for the billionth time on different formats and then special editions, limited editions etc? That nonsense is gone and I welcome it.
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