Britain outside the EU - Page 362

Pierre · 04-08-2023, 22:10

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Originally Posted by ianch99

The question was are "we" better off .. jeez. If you want to deny reality then I can't stop you. Seems a common theme for some in this day and age: "This is my reality and I'm sticking to it"

.. don't forget, don't look up

Who’s “we”?

Define “we”

Am I “better off” or “worse off”, no idea. I haven’t felt any economic pressures due to brexit. But that’s me. As it’s my personal experience and therefore subjective.

Sephiroth · 04-08-2023, 22:45

I'm definitely better off. Through my own efforts. Brexit, Schmexit - it would have been the same for me.

Everyone - work hard and don't go on strike, which is counterproductive and gives the likes of Ian the meat and drink on which Remainers thrive.

jfman · 04-08-2023, 22:52

Don’t strike, eat your gruel, lick boot as energy companies and banks trouser billions in profits.

**Hugh** · 05-08-2023, 00:01

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Originally Posted by jfman

Don’t strike, eat your gruel, lick boot as energy companies and banks trouser billions in profits.

"I’m all right, Jack*"

Solipsism in action…

*subjectively

TheDaddy · 05-08-2023, 03:50

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Originally Posted by jfman

Don’t strike, eat your gruel, lick boot as energy companies and banks trouser billions in profits.

Which was their plan all along, why people ever vote tory is beyond me, they're not the party of old and are only interested in the wealthy and making them and themselves richer

Sephiroth · 05-08-2023, 07:43

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Which was their plan all along, why people ever vote tory is beyond me, they're not the party of old and are only interested in the wealthy and making them and themselves richer

There's no decent party at the moment. Labour is mad, with their VAT on private schools policy which will backfire big time when classes swell etc. The Lib Dems will tax the cars t buggery, - they already do that in the local authorities.

denphone · 05-08-2023, 07:50

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Which was their plan all along, why people ever vote tory is beyond me, they're not the party of old and are only interested in the wealthy and making them and themselves richer

June 23, 2016, will go down as the day of the big lie and ever since the big lies have kept coming.

Sephiroth · 05-08-2023, 07:54

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Originally Posted by denphone

June 23, 2016, will go down as the day of the big lie and ever since the big lies have kept coming.

Gollox. The people spoke then and it's just that you didn't agree. They wanted out of the EU - as simple as that. We'd not be in a better state had we remained in the EU. Try to prove otherwise.

denphone · 05-08-2023, 08:16

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Gollox. The people spoke then and it's just that you didn't agree. They wanted out of the EU - as simple as that. We'd not be in a better state had we remained in the EU. Try to prove otherwise.

l don't need to prove otherwise as events since then have proved it in spades.

Sephiroth · 05-08-2023, 08:45

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Originally Posted by denphone

l don't need to prove otherwise as events since then have proved it in spades.

You’re just a moaning Remainer. A bad government would have screwed everything up and it’s not on Brexit. It’s not unreasonable to ask what, had we remained in the EU, would have been so much better than the state we are now in.

denphone · 05-08-2023, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You’re just a moaning Remainer. A bad government would have screwed everything up and it’s not on Brexit. It’s not unreasonable to ask what, had we remained in the EU, would have been so much better than the state we are now in.

It says much about the weak paucity of your arguments that calling some members moaning remainers is practically all you have got left.

Sephiroth · 05-08-2023, 09:21

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Originally Posted by denphone

It says much about the weak paucity of your arguments that calling some members moaning remainers is practically all you have got left.

That’s the trouble with you Remainers. Everything that’s gone wrong is down to Brexit. The paucity of argument rests with you. What beneficial state would subsist in the UK had we remained in the EU? My position is that we’d be suffering from bad government just as now.

All you’re interested in doing is to deflect away from the question by dwelling on the sentiment I’m expressing about moaning Remainers.

We left the EU so that we could fully govern ourselves. That government has big time screwed up has nothing to do with Brexit.

**Hugh** · 05-08-2023, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That’s the trouble with you Remainers. Everything that’s gone wrong is down to Brexit. The paucity of argument rests with you. What beneficial state would subsist in the UK had we remained in the EU? My position is that we’d be suffering from bad government just as now.

All you’re interested in doing is to deflect away from the question by dwelling on the sentiment I’m expressing about moaning Remainers.

We left the EU so that we could fully govern ourselves. That government has big time screwed up has nothing to do with Brexit.

Except for the small, but extremely relevant fact, it was mostly the same people…

The people who promised the sunlit uphill lands couldn’t deliver what they promised - that’s what happens when you have an ill-defined, non-costed deliverable - everyone loses.

Pierre · 05-08-2023, 10:31

Not sure I remember “sunlit uplands” being promised.

GrimUpNorth · 05-08-2023, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Not sure I remember “sunlit uplands” being promised.

I recall OB repeating it ad infinitum so it was probably on a briefing note from central office.

Edit: A quick Google found the Minister for The 18th. Century said it at the dispatch box. And here's a clip of him saying it https://youtu.be/OlR1R_vxBB8.

Hope that helps.