Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It was an example that proved you wrong. Nifty dodge, though, you’re good at that.

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Yes, the President changed. Biden doesn’t do trade deals. Too much brain work.

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Relationships with China have changed. India is negotiating. These things take time.

https://www.india-briefing.com/news/...ta-25699.html/

Thanks for info on India.
I'm not sure "too much brain work" is a valid reason for the absence of a US trade deal.

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More winners from Brexit.

MANCHESTER, England (Reuters) - Sick of customs delays and extra bureaucracy since Britain left the European Union, Farrat, a small manufacturer on the edge of Manchester, is ramping up investment to compensate - in Germany.

The maker of anti-vibration parts for buildings and machinery is growing fast, almost doubling its headcount in the English city over the past five years, but it says Brexit is proving to be an obstacle.

"We are now channelling a lot of investment in setting up production facilities in Germany to remove the trading friction," said chief executive Oliver Farrell. "Brexit is materially restricting our growth now."

The company is far from alone, according to a dozen conversations Reuters has had with company bosses, business groups and politicians across England over the course of 2023.

Economic data tell a similar story. German data show British firms opened 170 foreign direct investment projects in Europe's biggest economy last year as companies sought a foothold in the bloc's single market.

Next door, the government in the Netherlands said over 300 "Brexit companies" - British firms it reckons are trying to sidestep trade friction - had moved operations there since 2016.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5ee7d08f0&ei=5

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It was an example that proved you wrong. Nifty dodge, though, you’re good at that.

I’m sure as someone with excessive experience in being wrong you can appreciate it’s a minor infraction.

Yes, the President changed. Biden doesn’t do trade deals. Too much brain work.

So at best it was a 50/50 relying on a mentally unhinged President being re-elected.

Relationships with China have changed. India is negotiating. These things take time.

https://www.india-briefing.com/news/...ta-25699.html/

Relationships have changed that’s quite the understatement. Hey, ho. How’s your faith in Starmer’s Brexit coming along? Do you believe enough for it to be a success?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Thanks for info on India.
I'm not sure "too much brain work" is a valid reason for the absence of a US trade deal.

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More winners from Brexit.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5ee7d08f0&ei=5

Biden has stated he doesn't want any trade deals during his presidency. He is only prepared to negotiate industry by industry.

That should be easier for the poor old codger to cope with.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I’m sure as someone with excessive experience in being wrong you can appreciate it’s a minor infraction.

So was Boris's cake ambush. But that's different, of course. He's fair game these days.

Originally Posted by jfman

So at best it was a 50/50 relying on a mentally unhinged President being re-elected.

Which mentally unhinged President are you talking about?

Originally Posted by jfman

Relationships have changed that’s quite the understatement. Hey, ho. How’s your faith in Starmer’s Brexit coming along? Do you believe enough for it to be a success?

Yes, things change. That's the way of the world, I'm afraid.

As for Starmer and Brexit, no, he will make a right pig's ear of it. He will probably get us signed up to to the customs union, the worst of all worlds.

[jfman]

What if you just believed a bit more, OB would they create success?

[1andrew1]

Some good news on the um, horizon.

UK edges closer to rejoining EU’s £85bn Horizon science programme

Talks on returning as an associate member after Brexit row are close to agreement, say diplomatic sources

Diplomatic sources say negotiations to become an associate member will continue over the weekend and the two sides are close to agreement after three months of talks, largely over the cost of re-entry.

The UK was locked out of Horizon in 2020 in a tit-for-tat dispute over the failure to implement the Northern Ireland protocol trade arrangements in the original Brexit withdrawal agreement.

But the door to associate membership was reopened when the replacement Windsor framework was sealed in March, with the European Commission chief, Ursula von der Leyen, declaring a deal could be done “swiftly”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ogramme-brexit

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Biden has stated he doesn't want any trade deals during his presidency. He is only prepared to negotiate industry by industry.

That should be easier for the poor old codger to cope with.

Just checking you do realise the president doesn't actually do the negotiating himself?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Just checking you do realise the president doesn't actually do the negotiating himself?

I do, indeed, Grim. Very perceptive of you. He still has to understand what he is signing, though, and be able to answer questions on it. Ideally, he should also be able to understand whether any agreement is actually in the best interests of his country..

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I do, indeed, Grim. Very perceptive of you. He still has to understand what he is signing, though, and be able to answer questions on it. Ideally, he should also be able to understand whether any agreement is actually in the best interests of his country..

address my points OB or just stand down.

We are all team Starmer now after all, only he can save us from a mediocre Brexit. Things change is an inadequate excuse for mediocre policymaking.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As for Starmer and Brexit, no, he will make a right pig's ear of it. He will probably get us signed up to to the customs union, the worst of all worlds.

Johnson, Frost, Hannan and Farage all campaigned to remain in the Single Market. so we would be closer to respecting the will of the 2016 electorate if we did this and not Johnson's inflationary hard Brexit.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Johnson, Frost, Hannan and Farage all campaigned to remain in the Single Market. so we would be closer to respecting the will of the 2016 electorate if we did this and not Johnson's inflationary hard Brexit.

The economic cost of Tory Brexit to date almost mandates it.

It’d be useful to the “outers” if they could refer to a single area, upon assuming full legislative competence, the UK Government has acted in an area with obvious tangible benefit to the population at large.

Otherwise there’s a significant proportion of the population looking at the erosion of their rights, working conditions and living standards asking who was supposed to benefit.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

The economic cost of Tory Brexit to date almost mandates it.

It’d be useful to the “outers” if they could refer to a single area, upon assuming full legislative competence, the UK Government has acted in an area with obvious tangible benefit to the population at large.

Otherwise there’s a significant proportion of the population looking at the erosion of their rights, working conditions and living standards asking who was supposed to benefit.

It should also have passed Old Boy's test.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Ideally, he should also be able to understand whether any agreement is actually in the best interests of his country.

[jfman]

You wonder if anyone is looking out for the best interests of this country - it certainly isn’t the Conservative Party. Dividends at water companies while record amounts of human excrement released into our waterways. Bailing out train operators. The energy price cap to funnel money into energy companies profits rather than invest in our own Great British energy infrastructure.

We are being mugged in plain sight. And our fellow subjects of His Majesty are complicit for permitting it at the ballot box. (For the avoidance of doubt, I refer to general elections, not any referendums in this statement).

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I do, indeed, Grim. Very perceptive of you. He still has to understand what he is signing, though, and be able to answer questions on it. Ideally, he should also be able to understand whether any agreement is actually in the best interests of his country..

If only your lot had used the old understand what you are signing approach and checking if it's in the best interests of the country, when it came to the divorce settlement with the EU.

[1andrew1]

Comedy gold here!

In response to Szostak, UK trade minister Lord Dominic Johnson told the meeting of parliamentarians that the two sides should not “try to beggar each other” by building separate supply chains. He wanted “proper cross-border access to each others’ supply chains which makes them more efficient”.

“It’s a clear realisation among us all . . . that there is nothing to be gained by having unnecessary friction that reduces trade and welfare and wealth,” he added.

https://www.ft.com/content/71fab292-...b-7a1390903325

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Comedy gold here!

https://www.ft.com/content/71fab292-...b-7a1390903325

But do you not understand that it's the EU that is causing the friction? All we want is to be able to trade freely with the rest of the world and not be caught up with their politics.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Johnson, Frost, Hannan and Farage all campaigned to remain in the Single Market. so we would be closer to respecting the will of the 2016 electorate if we did this and not Johnson's inflationary hard Brexit.

Really?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-ITV-Peston-vn